I am Russian Orthodox and I can tell you from experience that many Orthodox also have a very patristic view of the world and strong beliefs about the "place" of women. I happen to disagree with them (as the belief comes from the individuals rather than from the tenets of my religion - very unlike islam) and will say so given the opportunity.
As I said before - have a good day.
Sorry, you miss the point yet again. They are being 'masculine' as they define it as men, not as the women define 'masculinity' which, in the Western sense, is essentially equivalent to 'neutered'. You yourself said that men should define 'masculinity'. Well there you have the ultimate definition of masculinity made by men. By your own words, you must acknowledge that.
Unless, of course, your words mean nothing more than that you get to define both sides of the argument to your advantage when it is convenient for you.
"I am Russian Orthodox and I can tell you from experience that many Orthodox also have a very patristic view of the world and strong beliefs about the "place" of women. I happen to disagree with them (as the belief comes from the individuals rather than from the tenets of my religion - very unlike islam) and will say so given the opportunity."
That's what I just said. You think you get to re-define both sides of the argument even though you previously admitted that men should define masculinity. Except when that clashes with *your* definition which means that you get to switch sides yet again.
As I said before, it's all about you defining the terms of the argument to suit yourself as it is convenient, no matter how contradictory that is.
Yes, I know...