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Pro-Life Leader Says Rudy Giuliani Too Pro-Abortion for GOP Nod
Life News ^ | 2/6/07 | Steven Ertelt

Posted on 02/06/2007 4:03:31 PM PST by wagglebee

Washington, DC (LifeNews.com) -- A leading pro-life advocate says he thinks Rudy Giuliani is too pro-abortion to deserve support form the overwhelming majority of Republican voters who are pro-life. Tony Perkins, the president of the Family Research Council, says he doesn't think the former New York mayor will be able to capture the party's nod.

Giuliani moved another step closer to a full-fledged candidacy on Monday by filing a statement of candidacy and removing the words "testing the waters" from his exploratory committee papers.

He has a high standing the polls both nationally and in early primary states such as Iowa and New Hampshire but Perkins says that's simply because of his high name identification.

"At this point most people have no idea where candidates stand on the issues, the polls simply reflect name ID," Perkins told CBN.

"Giuliani is known for his impressive leadership in the wake of 9/11, but most pro-family Americans do not yet realize how far outside of the mainstream of conservative thought that Mayor Giuliani social views really are," Perkins added. "Once people focus on this election and the candidates Giuliani's lead will diminish."

Should Giuliani get the party's nod for president, Perkins said it would likely hand the White House over to the Democratic candidate because pro-life voters would have no one to support.

The last several elections have been between pro-life Republican and pro-life Democratic candidates and a Giuliani nomination would change that dynamic.

"If by some chance Giuliani were to gain the Republican nomination it would set up a very similar scenario that we had last November," Perkins told CBN. "A unenthusiastic Republican base which will suppress turnout and set up a Democratic victory."

Republican voters have previously turned away pro-abortion candidates from capturing the primary nod, including former California Gov. Pete Wilson and Pennsylvania Sen. Arlen Specter. Republicans haven't had a pro-abortion nominee since Gerald Ford in 1976.

When asked to respond to social issues on CNN's Inside Politics in a 1999 interview, Giuliani replied, "I'm pro-choice."

In the same CNN interview he also indicated he does not support even a modest ban on the gruesome partial-birth abortion procedure saying, "No, I have not supported that, and I don't see my position on that changing."

Giuliani also indicated he would have upheld President Clinton's veto of the partial-birth abortion ban.

"Yes. I said I then that I support him, so I have no reason to change my mind about it," he told the New York Times in November 1999.

The former mayor also backs embryonic stem cell research, which pro-life groups oppose because it requires the destruction of human life to obtain the stem cells.

Arizona Sen. John McCain and former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney are the top two candidates in the polls apart from Giuliani.

Kansas Sen. Sam Brownback and former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee are also running and drawing significant support from the pro-life community.

Other potential Republican candidates include pro-life former House Speaker Newt Gingrich, pro-life Sen. Chuck Hagel of Nebraska, pro-life Reps. Duncan Hunter of California and Tom Tancredo of Colorado, Rep. Ron Paul of Texas, and former Wisconsin Gov. Tommy Thompson.


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Sean Hannity re-played his interview with Giuliani and to me he came across as more pro-abortion than most Democrats.
1 posted on 02/06/2007 4:03:33 PM PST by wagglebee
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To: cgk; Coleus; cpforlife.org; Mr. Silverback; narses; 8mmMauser; Reagan Man

Guiliani/Abortion Ping


2 posted on 02/06/2007 4:04:36 PM PST by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: wagglebee

yup. And the Donald Trump skit with Rudy in drag made me puke.


3 posted on 02/06/2007 4:04:50 PM PST by rjp2005 (Lord have mercy on us)
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To: wagglebee

All over FR people are spamming all the reasons Rudy can't win.

Why is everyone so worried about him, then?


4 posted on 02/06/2007 4:06:10 PM PST by Rex Anderson
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To: rjp2005

I missed H&C and heard the Rudy interview on Sean's radio show.


5 posted on 02/06/2007 4:06:12 PM PST by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: wagglebee

Oh that's just baloney.

And, btw, ultra social conservative Pat Robertson thinks that Rudy Giuliani would make a good president.

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2005/5/1/102522.shtml



6 posted on 02/06/2007 4:06:25 PM PST by Peach (The Clintons pardoned more terrorists than they captured or killed.)
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To: rjp2005

Gosh, you people don't get out enough.

I have been to charitable events where our priest, men from the church, a councilman, our mayor and some other notables dressed in drag to raise money for charity.

It's so hilarious that people who wouldn't typically go to something like an expensive plate dinner actually go and laugh and it's all for a good cause.


7 posted on 02/06/2007 4:07:32 PM PST by Peach (The Clintons pardoned more terrorists than they captured or killed.)
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To: Peach
There's a famous quote to explain that . . .

Every whore has a price.

8 posted on 02/06/2007 4:09:11 PM PST by Alberta's Child (Can money pay for all the days I lived awake but half asleep?)
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To: Peach

Rudy is too pro-abortion for me, he may not be too pro-abortion for you though. And as far as Pat Robertson goes, I've lived in Virginia Beach since I was eleven, I've met Pat a number of times and I've long since stopped believing a word that comes out of his mouth.


9 posted on 02/06/2007 4:10:03 PM PST by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: wagglebee
"Once people focus on this election and the candidates Giuliani's lead will diminish."

In favor of whom? "Undecided"?

10 posted on 02/06/2007 4:10:04 PM PST by My2Cents ("I support the right-ward most candidate who has a legitimate chance to win." -- W.F. Buckley)
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To: NapkinUser

For your list?


11 posted on 02/06/2007 4:10:53 PM PST by dynachrome ("Where am I? Where am I going? Why am I in a handbasket?")
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To: wagglebee
Republicans haven't had a pro-abortion nominee since Gerald Ford in 1976.

This is a pretty remarkable statement here. Basically, there has never been a pro-abortion Republican elected to the White House.

12 posted on 02/06/2007 4:10:53 PM PST by Alberta's Child (Can money pay for all the days I lived awake but half asleep?)
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To: FreeInWV; Reagan Man; Fierce Allegiance; EternalVigilance; B Knotts; jmc813; Kimberly GG; Sun; ...
(((STOP GIULIANI 2008 PRIMARY PING!)))

Freepmail me to be added or removed.

On President Bill Clinton: Shortly before his last-minute endorsement of Bob Dole in the 1996 presidential election, Giuliani told the Post's Jack Newfield that "most of Clinton's policies are very similar to most of mine." -Rudy! An Investigative Biography of Rudolph Giuliani, Wayne Barrett.



The Real Rudy Giuliani:

From Human Events:

Rudy's Strong Pro-Abortion Stance

As these comments from a 1989 conversation with Phil Donahue show, Rudy Giuliani is staunchly in favor of abortion:

"I've said that I'll uphold a woman's right of choice, that I will fund abortion so that a poor woman is not deprived of a right that others can exercise, and that I would oppose going back to a day in which abortions were illegal.

I do that in spite of my own personal reservations. I have a daughter now; if a close relative or a daughter were pregnant, I would give my personal advice, my religious and moral views ...

Donahue: Which would be to continue the pregnancy.

Giuliani: Which would be that I would help her with taking care of the baby. But if the ultimate choice of the woman - my daughter or any other woman - would be that in this particular circumstance [if she had] to have an abortion, I'd support that. I'd give my daughter the money for it."

Worse yet, Giuliani even supports partial birth abortion:

"I'm pro-choice. I'm pro-gay rights,Giuliani said. He was then asked whether he supports a ban on what critics call partial-birth abortions. "No, I have not supported that, and I don't see my position on that changing," he responded." -- CNN.com, "Inside Politics" Dec 2, 1999

It's bad enough that Rudy is so adamantly pro-abortion, but consider what that could mean when it comes time to select Supreme Court Justices. Does the description of Giuliani that you've just read make you think he's going to select an originalist like Clarence Thomas, who would vote to overturn Roe v. Wade -- or does it make you think he would prefer justices like Sandra Day O'Connor and Anthony Kennedy who'd leave Roe v. Wade in place?

Rudy's abortion stance is bad news for conservatives who are pro-life or who are concerned about getting originalist judges on the Supreme Court.

An Anti-Second Amendment Candidate

In the last couple of election cycles, 2nd Amendment issues have moved to the back burner mainly because even Democratic candidates have learned that being tagged with the "gun grabber" label is political poison.

Unfortunately, Rudy Giuliani is a proponent of gun control who supported the Brady Bill and the Assault Weapon Ban.

Do Republicans really want to abandon their strong 2nd Amendment stance by selecting a pro-gun control nominee?

Soft on Gay Marriage

Other than tax cuts, the biggest domestic issue of the 2004 election was President Bush's support of a Constitutional Amendment to define marriage as being between a man and a woman. Unfortunately, Rudy Giuliani has taken a "Kerryesque" position on gay marriage.

Although Rudy, like John Kerry, has said that marriage should remain between a man and a woman, he also supports civil unions, "marched in gay-pride parades" ...dressed up in drag on national television for a skit on Saturday Night Live (and moved in with a) wealthy gay couple" after his divorce. He also very vocally opposed running on a gay marriage amendment:

His thoughts on the gay-marriage amendment? "I don't think you should run a campaign on this issue," he told the Daily News earlier this month. "I think it would be a mistake for anybody to run a campaign on it -- the Democrats, the president, or anybody else."

Here's more from the New York Daily News:

"Rudy Giuliani came out yesterday against President Bush's call for a ban on gay marriage.

The former mayor, who Vice President Cheney joked the other night is after his job, vigorously defended the President on his post-9/11 leadership but made clear he disagrees with Bush's proposal to rewrite the Constitution to outlaw gays and lesbians from tying the knot.

"I don't think it's ripe for decision at this point," he said on NBC's "Meet the Press."

"I certainly wouldn't support [a ban] at this time," added Giuliani..."

Although Rudy may grudgingly say he doesn't support gay marriage (and it would be political suicide for him to do otherwise), where he really stands on the issue is an open question.

Pro-Illegal Immigration

As Tom Bevan of RealClearPolitics has pointed out, Rudy is an adherent of the same approach to illegal immigration that John McCain, Ted Kennedy, George Bush, and Harry Reid have championed:

"While McCain has taken heat for his support of comprehensive immigration reform, Rudy is every bit as pro-immigration as McCain - if not more so. On the O'Reilly Factor last week Giuliani argued for a "practical approach" to immigration and cited his efforts as Mayor of New York City to "regularize" illegal immigrants by providing them with access to city services like public education to "make their lives reasonable." Giuliani did say that "a tremendous amount of money should be put into the physical security" needed to stop the flow of illegal immigrants coming across the border, but his overall position on immigration is essentially indistinguishable from McCain's."

That's bad enough. But, as Michelle Malkin has revealed, under Giuliani, New York was an illegal alien sanctuary and "America's Mayor" actually sued the federal government in an effort to keep New York City employees from having to cooperate with the INS:

"When Congress enacted immigration reform laws that forbade local governments from barring employees from cooperating with the INS, Mayor Rudy Giuliani filed suit against the feds in 1997. He was rebuffed by two lower courts, which ruled that the sanctuary order amounted to special treatment for illegal aliens and were nothing more than an unlawful effort to flaunt federal enforcement efforts against illegal aliens. In January 2000, the Supreme Court rejected his appeal, but Giuliani vowed to ignore the law."

If you agree with the way that Nancy Pelosi and Company deal with illegal immigration, then you'll find the way that Rudy Giuliani tackles the issue to be right down your alley.

CLICK HERE TO READ MORE OF GIULIANI'S LEFT-WING POLITICAL POSITIONS

13 posted on 02/06/2007 4:11:23 PM PST by NapkinUser (Free Ramos and Compean! Disbarment for the Nifong-wannabe Johnny Sutton.)
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To: wagglebee

He came across to me as someone who is both willing and able to find restrictions to abortion (albeit, falling short of full repeal of Roe v. Wade), and will continue to shift the balance on the courts to originalists, where this issue will ultimately be played out.


14 posted on 02/06/2007 4:11:41 PM PST by My2Cents ("I support the right-ward most candidate who has a legitimate chance to win." -- W.F. Buckley)
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To: wagglebee
Tony Perkins is a good man. I've met him. Nice guy. A solid social conservative. Perkins should consider a run for public office in the future. He's right about Giuliani too. Its what many FReepers have been posting.

"Giuliani is known for his impressive leadership in the wake of 9/11, but most pro-family Americans do not yet realize how far outside of the mainstream of conservative thought that Mayor Giuliani social views really are," Perkins added. "Once people focus on this election and the candidates Giuliani's lead will diminish."

Should Giuliani get the party's nod for president, Perkins said it would likely hand the White House over to the Democratic candidate because pro-life voters would have no one to support.

15 posted on 02/06/2007 4:11:52 PM PST by Reagan Man (Conservatives don't vote for liberals.)
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To: wagglebee
I do not use abortion to refer the planned (in the first degree) murder of the most helpless!
16 posted on 02/06/2007 4:12:05 PM PST by HuntsvilleTxVeteran ("Remember the Alamo, Goliad and WACO, It is Time for a new San Jacinto")
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To: rjp2005

Try getting a humor transplant.


17 posted on 02/06/2007 4:12:47 PM PST by My2Cents ("I support the right-ward most candidate who has a legitimate chance to win." -- W.F. Buckley)
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To: wagglebee
Please change the name of FR to SC as in Stupid Conservatives.

Gee, that candidate follows my beliefs on most everything but hangnails, so I will tell everyone how bad he is.... be cause I and my issues are soooo important!

Waaaaaaaaaaa !
18 posted on 02/06/2007 4:12:59 PM PST by MindBender26 (Having my own CAR-15 in Vietnam meant never having to say I was sorry......)
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To: wagglebee

It's funny, if abortion is so darned important why it wasn't mentioned in Newt Gingrich's Contract for America.

Gun control wasn't mentioned either.

States are handling abortion issues better than the feds can. For instance, my state (SC) is passing legislation which requires a woman who wants an abortion to have an ultrasound.

I've said for years that as the technology gets better and women see the fetus they realize, it's not a blob. And hearts and minds are changing and that's going to do more than any Republican president can do.

With the exception of 8 years of Clinton, we've had Republican president since 1980 and nothing has changed about abortion except they've become more commonplace among even younger women.


19 posted on 02/06/2007 4:13:05 PM PST by Peach (The Clintons pardoned more terrorists than they captured or killed.)
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To: Alberta's Child

You're calling Pat Robertson a whore? OMG


20 posted on 02/06/2007 4:13:37 PM PST by Peach (The Clintons pardoned more terrorists than they captured or killed.)
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