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Achieving Socially Conservative Ideals Through Liberal Means: Making The Case for Rudy (2008)
Red State ^ | February 4, 2007 | D.M. Eaton

Posted on 02/04/2007 11:08:45 AM PST by Clintonfatigued

For this reason, contrary to conventional wisdom, a victory by Rudy Giuliani would strengthen even the socially conservative agenda in the long run. As the new Fox Dynamics Poll shows, 65 percent of Americans would be “comfortable” with a Rudy Giuliani administration. Being comfortable is a major step in the right direction. Americans might actually listen to him when gives the State of the Union (without a teleprompter no less, as he usually speaks with note cards or does so extemporaneously). A Giuliani administration that would focus on fighting the Islamic Extremists, reducing the size and scope of government, handling crisis, and putting strict constructionists on the bench who will interpret the law properly will draw more support from more people in the short term. This will translate to more understanding of conservative policies on other matters because individuals will have more patience to read the conservative ramblings of columnists and pundits. In the long run, as a result this will turn into more votes. As Winston Churchill is often quoted, "If you're not a liberal when you're 25, you have no heart. If you're not a conservative by the time you're 35, you have no brain"...

Due to the challenges facing this country, this election cycle we Republicans need to nominate someone with an actual record of accomplishment of tackling seemingly intractable problems. As George Will said on “This Week,” “His eight years as mayor of New York were the most successful episode of conservative governance in this country in the last 50 years, on welfare and crime particularly." Giuliani, more than any other candidate (Romney comes the closest) has the record of taking on major institutions and reforming them.

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TOPICS: Editorial; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2008; bluestate; burnnycburn; elections; goombah; guiliani; liberal; medialies; mussoliniclone; nonchristian; notanythingwrongwit; nyscks; rudy; rudysroomate; socialist
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To: Clintonfatigued

Rudy couldn't keep his promises to his wife, promises he made before God and a woman he presumably knew well and loved at the time he said "I do." But he'll keep his promises to and deliver for social conservatives, I'm sure.

/biting sarcasm


41 posted on 02/04/2007 12:04:19 PM PST by LibertarianInExile (When personal character isn't relevant to voters or party leaders, Foley happens.)
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To: ken5050

Newt YES, Rudy NO. Voting for Rudy is not a whole lot better than voting for a Democrat.

Newt Gingrich, on the other hand, is the complete package. To be honest, I think he's unbeatable. The guy is brilliant. You name the subject.... terrorism, healthcare, borders, taxes, education, etc...... and he has a solution. I've never been excited about a potential candidate like I am about Newt. The thought of him in a debate with Hillary or Edwards, just makes me smile.

For the many Newt-doubters here..... please go to his site and sign up for his "Winning the Future" weekly newsletter, and read what he has to say each week. There is a reason he's polling so high, even though he hasn't announced he's running.


42 posted on 02/04/2007 12:04:25 PM PST by jageorge72
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To: Clintonfatigued

I don't know if you saw it but I posted an article titled "Yes, Rudy Giuliani Is a Conservative" on 1/30. Although I support Tancredo, this article reveals how Giuliani is conservative on many issues. He's been unfairly stereotyped by many conservatives who aren't familiar with his record in NYC. It also shows how tough and courageous he is in the very worst possible situations - physically and politically.


43 posted on 02/04/2007 12:10:14 PM PST by T.L.Sink
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To: TitansAFC

Rudy is wrong on Hate Crimes Legislation, Immigration, Guns, Abortion, Partial-Birth Abortion, Public Funding of Abortion, Gay Rights, I mean this list goes on and on.


Here we go again. Another single issue guy. /s


44 posted on 02/04/2007 12:19:16 PM PST by freedomfiter2 (Hunter '08)
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To: Clintonfatigued
While he (Giuliani) was the “Republican Mayor” of New York City he appointed more than 60 men and women to the Civil, Criminal, and Family Court benchs. In all of those judicial appointment not one of them was a Republican.
45 posted on 02/04/2007 12:22:45 PM PST by EternalVigilance (With Republicans like these, who needs Democrats?)
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To: Clintonfatigued

I'm voting for Rudy, warts and all.

No other Republican has as high a positive rating in election polls.

If the Republican party loses the Presidental election, the Democrats will control Congress and the Presidency.

If you want that to happen, you're an idiot.


46 posted on 02/04/2007 12:32:48 PM PST by CobaltBlue (Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice. Moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue.)
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To: Clintonfatigued
When Congress enacted immigration reform laws that forbade local governments from barring employees from cooperating with the INS, Mayor Rudy Giuliani filed suit against the feds in 1997. He was rebuffed by two lower courts, which ruled that the sanctuary order amounted to special treatment for illegal aliens and were nothing more than an unlawful effort to flaunt federal enforcement efforts against illegal aliens. In January 2000, the Supreme Court rejected his appeal, but Giuliani vowed to ignore the law.
47 posted on 02/04/2007 12:35:24 PM PST by EternalVigilance (With Republicans like these, who needs Democrats?)
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To: CobaltBlue
If the Republican party loses the Presidental election, the Democrats will control Congress and the Presidency.

If the Republican Party has become merely a weak copy of the Democrat Party, what the heck does it matter?

48 posted on 02/04/2007 12:36:39 PM PST by EternalVigilance (With Republicans like these, who needs Democrats?)
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To: EternalVigilance
If the Republican Party has become merely a weak copy of the Democrat Party, what the heck does it matter?

Abortion and homosexuality are not federal issues. The Founders would have an hysterical laughing fit if you told them that in the 21st century, the federal government got involved in bedroom politics.

Then they'd weep at the thought of the loss of the Republic.

49 posted on 02/04/2007 12:42:34 PM PST by CobaltBlue (Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice. Moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue.)
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To: Beagle8U
"A product of a typical liberal Jewish family, I wanted Al Gore to win in 2000, though John McCain intrigued me at the time."

Soooo, This guy wanted Gore in 2000 but could now settle for Rudy.

Typical media liar just like George Will...

Open borders George Will gets his paycheck from the Leftist media establishment.

50 posted on 02/04/2007 12:43:38 PM PST by Sir Francis Dashwood (LET'S ROLL!)
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To: Rawlings
The truth, as shown through many, many ballot initiatives in 2006, is that if anything voters have moved RIGHT socially. Faith and family seem to be more germaine than ever for the party.

The Schiavo issue was politically a disaster for social conservatives. Even though I object strongly to how the issue was eventually "resolved," I am able to recognize a punch in the gut when I take one.

51 posted on 02/04/2007 12:45:03 PM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: LibertarianInExile
Rudy couldn't keep his promises to his wife, promises he made before God and a woman he presumably knew well and loved at the time he said "I do."

If we're going to restrict the field to those who have never had an affair or been divorced, it's going to really narrow things down.

There goes Newt, for one.

52 posted on 02/04/2007 12:46:38 PM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: Sherman Logan

"The Schiavo issue was politically a disaster for social conservatives."

Bush's and republican poll numbers have gone down since the Schiavo spectacle, and haven't budged up. Many people across the board don't want these rights taken away.


53 posted on 02/04/2007 12:48:25 PM PST by tkathy (Sectarian violence? Or genocidal racists? Which is a better description of islamists?)
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To: EternalVigilance

Here's the things about municipal and state judges- it is a great deal different than appointing Federal judges. Municipal and state have nothing to do with Constitutional Law or Federal Law. Rudy simply looked for people who are tough on crime and corruption and would be retained by the voters. And remember, the pool of Republicans in New York City is not extensive.


54 posted on 02/04/2007 12:51:46 PM PST by Clintonfatigued (If the GOP were to stop worshiping Free Trade as if it were a religion, they'd win every election)
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To: TitansAFC

#39 BUMP!!


55 posted on 02/04/2007 12:53:42 PM PST by Beagle8U (Thompson / Hunter 2008)
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To: tkathy

"Bush's and republican poll numbers have gone down since the Schiavo spectacle, and haven't budged up."

Actually, it was the Hurricane Katrina disaster which did most of the damage.


56 posted on 02/04/2007 12:54:13 PM PST by Clintonfatigued (If the GOP were to stop worshiping Free Trade as if it were a religion, they'd win every election)
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To: TitansAFC; Liz
the threat his candidacy (Giuliani) poses to the issues I care about is huge, and the persistence of the loud few is beginning to make me believe there are greater enemies in our own Party than I ever thought.

Can I frame that post???

About four years ago I might have considered Giuliani as a GOP candidate, but after witnessing the behavior of his supporters, I never will. [One particular person I know who was for Giuliani early on, and not a member of this forum, was so animated and hostile when I questioned some of Giuliani's publicly stated positions. That did it for me.]

57 posted on 02/04/2007 12:55:11 PM PST by Sir Francis Dashwood (LET'S ROLL!)
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To: x

Folks change their minds on social issues via their personal experience, not via government programs, usually, so I am skeptical of the thesis myself.


58 posted on 02/04/2007 12:56:22 PM PST by Torie (The real facts can sometimes be inconvenient things)
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To: CobaltBlue
Abortion and homosexuality are not federal issues.

Any proposed Constitutional Amendment ratified by the states is a federal issue.

59 posted on 02/04/2007 12:57:00 PM PST by Sir Francis Dashwood (LET'S ROLL!)
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To: EternalVigilance
If the Republican Party has become merely a weak copy of the Democrat Party, what the heck does it matter?

That comment is more reflective of how you weight the various issues than anything else, at least vis a vis Giuliani.

60 posted on 02/04/2007 12:58:13 PM PST by Torie (The real facts can sometimes be inconvenient things)
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