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Giuliani Would Defeat Hillary in New Jersey (Quinnipiac alert) ^ | 1/31/2007 | Staff

Posted on 01/31/2007 5:46:06 PM PST by Dark Skies

Former New York City mayor Rudy Giuliani is the favourite Republican United States presidential contender for voters in the Garden State, according to a poll by the Quinnipiac University Polling Institute. 48 per cent of respondents in New Jersey would vote for Giuliani in a head-to-head contest against Democratic New York senator Hillary Rodham Clinton.

In other match-ups, Rodham Clinton holds a one-point edge over Arizona senator John McCain, and a 24-point advantage over former Massachusetts governor Mitt Romney. McCain leads former North Carolina senator John Edwards by six points, and Illinois senator Barack Obama by three points.

In 2004, Democratic nominee John Kerry carried New Jersey’s 15 electoral votes, with 53 per cent of the vote. No Republican has won the Garden State since George H. Bush in 1988.

Incumbent George W. Bush is ineligible for a third term in office. The next United States presidential election is scheduled for November 2008.

Polling Data

If the 2008 election for President were being held today, and the candidates were (the Democrat) and (the Republican), for whom would you vote?

Rudy Giuliani (R) 48% - 41% Hillary Rodham Clinton (R)
John McCain (R) 43% - 44% Hillary Rodham Clinton (R)
Mitt Romney (R) 29% - 53% Hillary Rodham Clinton (R)
John McCain (R) 45% - 39% John Edwards (R)
John McCain (R) 42% - 39% Barack Obama (R)

(sic) re: all the erroneous "(R)" designations.

Source: Quinnipiac University Polling Institute Methodology: Telephone interviews to 1,310 registered Ohio voters, conducted from Jan. 16 to Jan. 22, 2006. Margin of error is 2.7 per cent.

TOPICS: News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: New Jersey; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: 2008election; corrupt; elections; giuliani; goombah; medialies; rudy
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To: Spiff

Only because you and your pals have spammed it so many times that it's become a joke; not to mention the fact that it is incorrect.

281 posted on 01/31/2007 9:39:39 PM PST by nopardons
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To: BunnySlippers

That's all I've been hearing for hours now. LOL

282 posted on 01/31/2007 9:40:41 PM PST by nopardons
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To: oceanview

Good...just so we're all clear on that matter. :-)

283 posted on 01/31/2007 9:43:25 PM PST by nopardons
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To: nopardons; BunnySlippers

Didn't someone say that Rudy didn't stand a chance in NJ with Republicans? Check this out:

Mayor Giuliani Announces New Jersey Supporters
Garden State Elected Officials Line Up Behind "America's Mayor"

New York, Jan 31 - The Rudy Giuliani Presidential Exploratory Committee today announced that nearly 300 elected officials and key Republicans throughout New Jersey have signed on to support Mayor Giuliani.

George Gilmore, the Republican Chairman of Ocean County, has been named New Jersey Chairman for Rudy's campaign. "I support Rudy because of his demonstrated leadership in crisis, his straightforward, no-nonsense approach to solving problems, and because I believe he'll win not only the majority of Republican votes but many Independents and Democrats, as well. America's Mayor ought to be America's President."

State Senator Tom Kean, Jr., will serve as Honorary Chairman. Senator Kean remarked, "During uncertain times, Rudy Giuliani has proven to be a unifying force who leads with decisive action. Even before September 11, 2001, America’s Mayor had transformed New York City’s economy with fiscally responsible reforms. He helped me tremendously in my recent campaign for the United States Senate and I will work hard to elect Rudy Giuliani as the next President of the United States."

"Mayor Giuliani is honored by the overwhelming show of support from New Jersey. People throughout New Jersey saw firsthand the transformation that occurred in New York City under the Mayor's leadership," said Giuliani Exploratory Committee Executive Director Mike DuHaime, a New Jerseyan himself. "The honorable men and women on this list come from every corner of the state and represent the breadth and diversity of the Republican Party itself."

New Jersey co-chairpersons of the campaign include former Congressman Bob Franks, GOP candidate for U.S. Senate in 2000; State Senator Diane Allen; Roger Bodman, Executive Director-NJ of Reagan/Bush 1984; Burlington County GOP Chairman Col. Mike Warner; Cape May County GOP Chairman David Von Savage; investment banker Candace L. Straight; President of WPI Communications Steve Klinghoffer; and Somerset County GOP Chairman Dale Florio. Chairman Florio summed up the feelings of many, stating, "Somerset County lost many residents on September 11, 2001. Mayor Giuliani was our beacon of light then, and we think he is America's hope for the future."

The New Jersey Chairman's Circle includes Bergen County GOP Chairman Guy Talarico, Morris County GOP Chairman John Sette, Sussex County GOP Chairman Rich Zeoli, Bergen County GOP Chairman Jose Arango, and Warren County GOP Chairman Doug Steinhardt.

Burlington County Republican Chairman Col. Michael Warner remarked, "As a former prosecutor and mayor, Rudy Giuliani has shown the type of leadership we need in the next President of the United States. He is tough on terrorism, knows how to grow and expand the economy, and will protect the homeland. I am proud to endorse the next President of the United States, Rudy Giuliani."

Cape May County Republican Chairman David Von Savage said, "Rudy is the only Republican who can carry New Jersey and Connecticut -- two must-win states. The No. 1 issue in 2008 is the War on Terror. Rudy is the right man to lead and win the fight to preserve freedom and the American way."

Investment banker Candace L. Straight observes, "Mayor Giuliani has proven that the tougher things get, the stronger he gets. Our country is in need of his proven leadership, his ability to bring people together for a common good and his ability to make a difference when we need it most."

State Senator Anthony Bucco put it this way, "The reason I am supporting Rudy is because we need a strong leader with a proven record. He cleaned up the city and made people proud to say they are from New York." Fellow Senator Nick Asselta summed up the Mayor's appeal saying: "Rudy Giuliani has demonstrated the leadership skills that transcend ideological and partisan politics. He has proven his ability to handle crisis. In the war on terror, Giuliani is the President America needs to make the tough decisions and lead our nation."

In a poll of New Jersey voters taken by Quinnipiac University, Rudy Giuliani leads Sen. Hillary Clinton 48 – 41 percent – remarkable for a state that hasn't voted for a Republiscan Presidential candidate since 1988. Among registered Republicans in New Jersey, Giuliani collects 39% of the vote, compared to 21 for John McCain, 11 for Newt Gingrich and 5 for Mitt Romney.

The full list of the first wave of New Jersey supporters of Rudy Giuliani follows, with more to come.

Nicholas Asselta, District 1
Diane Allen, District 7
Martha W. Bark, District 8
Andrew R. Ciesla, District 10
Walter Kavanaugh, District 16
Thomas Kean, Jr. District 21
Anthony Bucco District 25
Robert J Martin District 26
Robert W. Singer, District 30

Francis L. Bodine, District 8
Larry Chatzidakis, District 8
Brian E Rumpf, District 9
David W. Wolfe, District 10
Amy Handlin, District 13
Christopher Bateman, District 16
Peter J. Biondi, District 16
Jon Bramnick, District 21
Eric Munoz, District 21
Joe Pennacchio, District 26
Ronald S. Dancer, District 30
Charlotte Vandervalk District 39

Jose Arango, Republican Chairman, Hudson County
Dale Florio, Republican Chairman, Somerset County
George Gilmore, Republican Chairman, Ocean County
Phil Morin, Republican Chairman, Union County
Larry Pepper, Republican Chairman, Cumberland County
John Sette, Republican Chairman, Morris County
Doug Steinhardt, Republican Chairman, Warren County
Guy Talarico, Republican Chairman, Bergen County
David Von Savage, Republican Chairman, Cape May County
Col. Mike Warner, Republican Chairman, Burlington County
Rich Zeoli, Republican Chairman, Sussex County

Dawn Marie Addiego, Freeholder, Burlington County
Ralph E. Bakley, Sr., Freeholder, Cape May County
Dan Beyel, Freeholder Director, Cape May County
Douglas Cabana, Freeholder, Morris County
Bill Chegwidden, Freeholder, Morris County
Jack Ciattarelli Freeholder, Somerset County
Denise Coyle, Freeholder, Somerset County
Len Desiderio, Freeholder, Cape May County
Gene Feyl, Freeholder, Morris County
Rick Fontana Freeholder, Somerset County
John Inglesino, Deputy Freeholder Director, Morris County
John P. Kelly, Freeholder Director, Ocean County
James F. Lacey, Freeholder, Ocean County
Margaret Nordstrom, Freeholder Director, Morris County
Peter Palmer Freeholder, Somerset County
Elizabeth "Lisa" Randall, Former Freeholder, Bergen County
Jack Schrier, Freeholder, Morris County
Ralph E. Sheets, Jr., Vice Freeholder Director, Cape May County
Jerry Thornton, Freeholder, Cape May County
Joseph H. Vicari, Freeholder, Ocean County
Bob Zaborowski Freeholder, Somerset County
Susan Zellman, Freeholder, Sussex County

Carl W. Block, Clerk, Ocean County, and Mayor, Stafford Township
Joan Bramhall, Clerk, Morris County
Roseann Brown, Vice Chair, Somerset County Republican Organization
Frank Bruno, Surrogate, Somerset County
John F. Callinan, Sheriff, Cape May County
Scott Colabella, Deputy County Clerk, Ocean County
Rita Fulginiti, Clerk, Cape May County
Philip E. Haines, Clerk, Burlington County
Doyle Hunsinger, Vice Chair, Somerset County Republican Organization
Michael Kerwin, Treasurer, Somerset County Republican Organization
Steve O'Connor, Administrator, Cape May County
Carol Oswald, Former Surrogate, Mercer County
Joseph W. Oxley, Sheriff, Monmouth County
John Pecoraro, Surrogate, Morris County
Roma Plakyda, Secretary, Somerset County Republican Organization
William L. Polhemus, Sheriff, Ocean County
Frank Provenzano, Sheriff, Somerset County
Bret Radi, Clerk, Somerset County
Brendan Sciarra, Treasurer, Cape May County Republican Organization
Sal Simonetti, Sheriff, Warren Co
Robert E Untig, Sheriff Sussex County

James P. Barsa, Mayor, Norwood
Sal Bate, Former Deputy Mayor, Millburn
Sal Bonaccorso, Mayor, Clark
Frank Calandriello, Mayor, Garfield
Conrad Caruso, Mayor, Saddle River
Stephen F. Childers, Mayor, Lakehurst
John Ciaramella, Mayor, Roxbury
Joanne Cocchiola, Mayor, Nutley
Walt Craig, Mayor, Lower Township
Barbara Jo "Bobbi" Crea, Mayor, Little Egg Harbor Township
Ronald S. Dancer, Mayor, Plumsted (see also, Assembly, District 30)
Joe Donnelly, Mayor, Cinnaminson
Frank J. Druetzler, Mayor, Morris Plains, and Former Morris County Freeholder
John Ekdahl, Mayor, Rumson
DiAnne C. Gove, Mayor, Long Beach Township
Carl Groon, Mayor, Wildwood Crest
P. Kenneth Hershey, Mayor, Seaside Heights
Jerry Inderweis, Mayor, City Of Cape May
Paul J. Kennedy, Mayor, Ocean Gate
Dr. Robert Kleinberg, Mayor, Marlboro Township
Martin C. Konkus, Mayor, Point Pleasant
Robert Kraft, Deputy Mayor, Ocean Township
Martin Marks, Mayor, Scotch Plains
Sue Ann Metzner, Mayor, Winslow Township
Richard A. Mola, Mayor, Elmwood Park
Bob Nolan, Deputy Mayor, Lower Township
Bonnie Olt, Council Member, Evesham
John Pantalone, Former Mayor and Republican Municipal Leader, Wildwood Crest
Thomas Phelan, Republican Municipal Leader and Former Mayor, Cape May City
Anthony Pugliese, Mayor, Borough of Audubon
Bill O'Connor, Mayor, Chatham Township
Nicholas Pompilio, Mayor, Borogh of Netcong
Brian A. Reid, Mayor, Lacey Township
Debbie Sarcone, Deputy Mayor, Evesham
Mark Seda, Mayor, Jackson Township
Muriel Shore, Former Essex freeholder, Former Mayor of Fairfield
Andrew Skibitsky, Mayor, Westfield
Thomas J Stewart, Mayor, Beach Haven
Gus Tamburro, Mayor, Evesham
Ernie Troiano, Mayor, City Of Wildwood
Daniel Van Pelt, Mayor, Ocean Township
Thomas S. Vogel, Mayor, Point Pleasant Beach
Cyril Wekilsky, Mayor, Township of Boonton

Stephen C. Acropolis, Council President, Brick Township
Peggy Adams, Municipal Chairperson, Morris Plains
Dominick J. Aiello, Council Member, West Caldwell
William Akers, Council Member, Seaside Heights
Carmen F. Amato, Jr., Council Member, Berkeley Township
Anthony Ammiano, Committee Member, Former Mayor, Freehold Township
John Baldino, Municipal Chairman, Paramus
Randy Bauer, Council Member, Stone Harbor
John Bayeux, Municipal Chairman, Bernards Township
Jim Bellis, Municipal Chairman, Bedminster
David Beyel, Upper Township Republican Municipal Leader
Lou Bickel, Municipal Chairman,Raritan
Vincent Binkoski, Council Member, Wharton
John Biondi, Council Member, Township of Mt Olive
Kathy Breuss, Commissioner, City Of Wildwood
Anthony M. Bucco, Esq., Morris County Republican County Counsel
Robert Budesa, Council Member, Pine Beach
Don Cabrera, Borough Commissioner, Wildwood Crest
Paul Camella Council Member, Woodcliff Lake
Joyce E. Camera, Council Member, Seaside Heights
Sal Caruana, Council Member, Westfield
Joe Chiusolo, Council Member, Cedar Grove
Mark Ciarrocca, Council Member, Westfield
Geneva Clayton, Municipal Chairwoman, Jackson
John Coiro, Totowa Municipal Chairman
Frank Conrad, Committeeman, Upper Township
Thomas Conrad, Council Member, Lower Township
Glenn Corbett, Council Member, Wharton
David S. Craig, Council Member, Cape May City.
Karen Davis, Council Member, Berkeley Township
Tony DePaulo, Republican Club President, Berkeley Township
Jeanne DiPaola, Council Member, Stafford
Glenn Douglass, Council Member, Lower Township
Ann DuHaime, Former Mayor, Bloomingdale
Joann Duszczak, Council Member, Seaside Heights
Mark Dykoff, Committee Member, Lacey Township
Peter Echausse, Council Member, Westfield
Niels Favre, Council Member, City of Cape May
Michael J. Fiure, Council Member, Toms River
Cordelia Fuller, Council Member, Borough of Chatham
Bill Gannon, Republican Municipal Leader, City Of Wildwood
Brian Gillen, Council Member, Wharton
Richard Goldberg, Council President, Hawthorne
Ray Gormley, Committeeman, Little Egg Harbor
Tom Hall, Committee Member, Middletown
Kelly Hatfield, Former Council Member, Summit
Scott Hutchins, Council Member, Wharton
William Huyler, Chief of Police, Morris County Park Police
Rev. Gregory Johnson, Council Member, Ocean City
Lois Johnson, Former Chair of Morris County
Lori Keenan, Republican Municipal Leader, Stone Harbor
John Kehm Jr., Committeeman, Little Egg Harbor
Meryl and Steve King, Caldwell, Treasurer Caldwell Republican County Committee
Brian Kubiel, Council Member, Toms River
Bob Lacorte, Municipal Chairman, Franklin
Barbara Lanuto, Republican Vice Chair, Ocean County
Cecilia G. Laureys, Council Member, Netcong, and Former Morris County Freeholder
Marianne Laux, Council Member, Wharton
Brian Levinson, Council Member, Stone Harbor
Janet Linnus, Municipal Chairman, Montgomery
John Lore, Municipal Chairman, Green Brook
Russell Maffei, Municipal Chairman, Jersey City GOP
Scott R. Martin, Council Member, Jackson
Maria Maruca, Council Member, Toms River
Barry D. Mastrangelo, Council President, Stone Harbor
Francis J. McCall, Wildwood Crest Commissioner, Former Council Member, Ocean City
Pat McCormick, Municipal Chairman, Somerville
Gregory P. McGuckin, Council President, Dover Township
Mike Merdinger, Municipal Chairman, Hillsborough
Arthur Midgley, Committeeman, Little Egg Harbor
Julian Mirgalia, Council Member, The Borough of Stone Harbor
Dave Most, Committee Member, Lacey Township
Jo Ann Neylan, Council Member, Westfield
Marie-Elena O'Connor, Council Member, Stafford
Michael O'Hagan, Councilmember, Glen Rock
Skip Orza, Municipal Chairman, Bernardsville
Arline Ottoson, Council Member, Seaside Heights
John Parker, Committee Member, Lacey Township
Jim Piro, Chairman of Nutley County Committee, Former Essex County Republican Chair, Former Essex County District 5 Freeholder
Ana Pizutelli, Vice Chairwoman, Bloomfield County Committee
Agnes S. Polhemus, Council Member, Seaside Heights
Harold Poltrock, Former Council Member, Springfield
Alan Purcell, Council Member, Wayne
Gary Quinn, Committee Member, Lacey Township
Scott Rudder, Council Member, Medford
Jim Rilee, Council Member, Roxbury
Patrick Rosenello, City Council President, North Wildwood
Tom Roshetar, Municipal Chairman, Rocky Hill
Sanford Ross, Council President, South Toms River
Irwin Sablosky, member Board of Education, Springfield
Dave Salkin, Council Member, Freehold Township
Jan Sandri, Former Mayor and Council Member, Little Falls
Bill Schievella, Council Member, Rockaway Township, and President of Italian Police Association
John Schmidt, West Orange Mayoral Candidate
Jo-Anne Schubert, Municipal Chairman, South Bound Brook
Steve Scutaro, Republican Club President, Brick Township
Joseph Scuralli, Council Member, Wayne
Fred P. Seeber, Council Member, Stafford
Ernie Sesso, West Paterson Republican Chairman
Shirley Shortway-English, Council member, Hawthorne
Jonathan Soto, Council Member, City of Passaic
Connie Spencer, Vice Chairwoman, Glen Ridge County Committee
Scott Stites, Committeeman, Little Egg Harbor
Arlene Strege, Municipal Chairwoman, Branchburg
Ray Tamborini, Council Member, Bloomfield
Jack Thomas, Council President, Ocean City
Richard Tompkins, Council Member, Seaside Heights
Joe Turula, Counsel to Hudson County GOP
Ann M. Updegrave, Council Member, Jackson
Howard Wagner, Municipal Chairman, Bound Brook
David L. Wyrsch, Sr., Council Member, Stafford
David Young, Council Member, Wharton
Anita F. Zalom, Council Member, Lavallette

Joseph Achacoso, Asian-Americans for Bush, 04
Richard H. Bagger, Former State Senator, District 21
John Bennett, Former State Senate President
Roger Bodman, ED of Reagan/Bush 1984, vice chair for Bush 1988, Campaign Mgr for Gov Kean 1981
Bill Crosby, State Committeeman, Somerset County
Sally DeBarcza, State Committeewoman, Somerset County
Bob DeBlock, West Paterson GOP
Barbara DeMarco, Mercer County Improvement Authority
Joe DeIorio, Mayor, Roselle Park
Paul DiGaetano, Former Assembly Minority leader
Douglas F. Doyle, Managing Partner of the Law Firm Edwards & Caldwell LLC.
Richard DuHaime, Former Freeholder, Passaic County
Sylvester Fernandez, entrepreneur, Indian-American business leader
Bob Franks, Former Congressman, US Senate candidate ‘00
Al Gaburo, Governmental Affairs Consultant
Richard Goldberg, Former President of the Commerce and Industry Association of NJ
Ronald Gravino, Former Chairman, NJ Highway Authority
A. Virginia Haines, National Committeewoman from New Jersey
Nicole Hantman, Nat'l Assoc of Homebuilders
Alan Herman, State Committeeman, Camden County
Steve Klinghoffer, President, WPI Communications
Al Leiter, Southpaw
Mark Levenson, Sills Cummis
Luis Linares, Republican State Committee Hispanic Outreach Coordinator
Arthur Maurice
Edward "Skip" McMahon, State Committeeman, Morris County
Michael Mecca, Former Freeholder, Former Chair of Passaic GOP
Gualberto "Gil" Medina, Former Commissioner of the N.J. Department of Commerce and Economic Development
Jeff Michaels, Former Chief of Staff to Gov. DiFrancesco
Amy Osborn, State Committeewoman, Camden County
Laura Palatucci, County Committee, Union County
Christine Ramirez, State Committeeman, Morris County
Steven E. Some, President, Capital Public Affairs
Candy Straight, Former Co-chair, New Jersey GOP
Bill Spadea, Real Estate Executive, '04 GOP Nominee for U.S. Congress (NJ-12)

New Jersey Finance Chair Michael "Mickey" Gooch, CEO of GFI Group
Eugene Croddick, CEO, Amerivest
Rafael Cuellar, Shop-Rite
Christopher Giancarlo, GFI Group
Rabbi Yehuda Gross
Henry Kane, McLachlan Kane Insurance Agency
Robert Ortiz. Esq, Beattie Padovano
Brian Pasch, Managing Partner, Millennium Teleservices
J. Peter Simon, Chairman, William E. Simon & Sons
Eileen and John Sivolella

284 posted on 01/31/2007 9:44:40 PM PST by PhiKapMom (Broken Glass Republican -- Rudy/Keating -- Take back the House and Senate in 2008)
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To: TheLion

Yes, she said that, but I think that she is now acting like a SILLY woman and just looking at what he looks like.

285 posted on 01/31/2007 9:45:13 PM PST by nopardons
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To: BunnySlippers


286 posted on 01/31/2007 9:45:47 PM PST by nopardons
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To: Dolphy

No, it isn't catching, as far as I know, LOL

287 posted on 01/31/2007 9:46:47 PM PST by nopardons
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To: Blackirish; Jameison; Sabramerican; BunnySlippers; tkathy; veronica; Roccus; Jake The Goose; ...

Check out post #284 -- Found this on the Rudy site -- guess it shows that NJ Republicans do like Rudy! Impressive list so early in the campaign IMHO!

288 posted on 01/31/2007 9:47:30 PM PST by PhiKapMom (Broken Glass Republican -- Rudy/Keating -- Take back the House and Senate in 2008)
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To: PhiKapMom; jmc813; Antonious

jmc813 and Antonious stated, uncatagorically that Rudy absolutely, positively, can NEVER win Jersey.

289 posted on 01/31/2007 9:49:45 PM PST by nopardons
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To: PhiKapMom
I think you are misunderestimating what a motivated red state grassroots electorate can accomplish against Hillary. But they have to be motivated.

Bush violated his conservative principles and the result was he could not motivate his base in '92. Bob Dole could not motivate the conservative base in '96. GWB just barely gained enough support against Gore in 2000 and it took a considerable grassroots effort to finally get him seated.

Without the motivated grassroots in '04, Kerry would probably be president today.

And due to a perceived lack of conservative principles in the Republican Party in '06, our side was not motivated and now we're stuck in our current situation.

You've got to give the people something to get the juices flowing. Sorry, Rudy's a great guy and he'll get half of our side going, or maybe even three quarters, but it's going to take an all out effort.

Why hobble our side with a candidate who is sorely lacking on basic conservative issues? He's not going to motivate the conservative right. Don't repeat the mistakes noted above. Violating the most basic conservative principles is a sure way to lose the election.

I stated that almost any decent, honest conservative Republican should win against Hillary, but he must be able to motivate his base to do it. Sadly, the social liberal Rudy Giuliani may be the one Republican of the top half dozen or so front runners who might fail to motivate the grassroots and therefore may actually cause a repeat of '92 and we say hello again to a President Clinton.

Do not repeat the now obvious mistakes made in '92, '96 and '06 and barely avoided in '00 and '04. Be sure the candidate we choose actually walks and talks the conservative platform!

Motivate the base. Win elections!

290 posted on 01/31/2007 9:50:02 PM PST by Jim Robinson
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To: Dark Skies


291 posted on 01/31/2007 9:50:38 PM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: nopardons

Talk to you all tomorrow. Have to finish up some forms for our Convention and then hitting the sack! I hate Excel! Been putting it off all night!

292 posted on 01/31/2007 9:52:13 PM PST by PhiKapMom (Broken Glass Republican -- Rudy/Keating -- Take back the House and Senate in 2008)
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To: Jim Robinson

(((Hugs))) Sigh:)Who loves you.

293 posted on 01/31/2007 9:53:47 PM PST by fatima (Be angry if you must, but do not sin: do not let your anger outlast the sunset: do not give the Devi)
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To: PhiKapMom
It also shows what a candidate has to do, long before the first day of the actual primary, to win and WHY none of the the bottom tier guys and especially those not even in the exploratory phase yet, can hope to be the GOP presidential candidate in '08!

Anyone and everyone who imagines that someone other than those who are NOW lining up their ducks in a row, has any chance whatsoever, just does NOT understand politics.

294 posted on 01/31/2007 9:54:55 PM PST by nopardons
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To: nopardons
jmc813 and Antonious stated, uncatagorically that Rudy absolutely, positively, can NEVER win Jersey.

Just the opposite. I am very anti-Rudy but I definitely believe that if Rudy is the nominee (something I doubt), he has a decent chance of winning Jersey.

295 posted on 01/31/2007 9:55:15 PM PST by jmc813 (Please check out and consider becoming a donor. You may save a life.)
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To: Spiff
It is quite disturbing that the 3 announced frontrunners are the worst candidates when you hold them up to the actual Republican Party Platform.

If the overwhelming majority of Republican voters are really conservative then how can this be?

Prepare yourself for a shock -- Republican nominations are usually not decided by ideology.

We nominated Ike because after twenty years out of power we were desperate for a winner.

Nixon became the nominee primarily because he was the Veep.

Goldwater beat Rocky largely on ideology and then got his ass kicked by LBJ.

Nixon came back and beat the left (Rocky) and right (RR) in 1968.

1976 and 1980 had some ideological components, but Ford was veep in 1976 and RR was clearly the best campaigner in 1980. Remember that GHWB was leading RR until Mr. Green cut off the microphone.

Bush beat Dole in 1988 and nobody would accuse either of them of being conservatives.

Dole won the 1996 nomination on seniority and because it was his turn. A good man, a bad POTUS candidate to run against Bubba.

GWB defeated McCain for a variety of reasons -- partly ideology, and partly because then (as now) many people just don't trust McCain.

The plain fact is that the Republican Party just does not nominate dark horses. In fact, except for 1964 there has been a Nixon, Dole or Bush on every Republican Ticket since 1948. The Party goes with known quantities who have paid their dues, not unknown Congresscritters like Brownback or Hunter or Tancredo.

IMHO Gingrich has too much baggage. I think it is likely to be McCain, Romney or Giuliani. I don't trust McCain as C-in-C, and Romney is just not as good an option as Giuliani.

Unless a viable option comes up in the next year, Rudy is the clear choice. He is clearly the candidate the 'rats would most fear. No, he isn't a conservative -- but I don't see a conservative out there with a realistic chance of winning.

296 posted on 01/31/2007 9:55:55 PM PST by You Dirty Rats (I Love Free Republic!)
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To: PhiKapMom


297 posted on 01/31/2007 9:55:55 PM PST by BunnySlippers (SAY YES TO RUDY !!!)
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To: PhiKapMom

He's my man. I can't wait for volunteer duties!

298 posted on 01/31/2007 9:57:39 PM PST by BunnySlippers (SAY YES TO RUDY !!!)
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To: PhiKapMom

Nighty night.................see you soon.

299 posted on 01/31/2007 9:58:04 PM PST by nopardons
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To: PhiKapMom

OK, but besides them what other pols in NJ are supporting him?

300 posted on 01/31/2007 9:58:21 PM PST by You Dirty Rats (I Love Free Republic!)
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