[The_Reader_David]

I didn't know about Svensmark until recently either, but his stuff is backed by experimental proof that cosmic ray tracks are important to cloud formation (a cooling effect).

Solar magnetism changes (the 1500 year cycle overlaid with the better known 11 year cycle) change the degree to which the earth is shielded from cosmic rays. Increasing solar magnetism leads to less cloud formation, leads to warmer climate. Svensmark estimates this effect alone can explain 85% of the change in average global temperature over the last 70 years. (And I'm not sure whether he includes in that a model for naturally occuring greenhouse gasses which geologically trail warmer temperatures as CO_2 cooks out of the oceans and methane comes out of thawing bogs and methane-hydrates.)

Add to that the evidence of increased solar output (from Mars, Triton and Pluto) and it's looks to me like a slam-dunk that the models 'proving' human induced global warming are a great example of GIGO.

[olezip]

It is certainly NOT a slam dunk for Democrats and others suffering from mental disorders! But then again how do you convince the insane of anything? They have minds that prevent normal perception, especially the human caused global warming crowd on the payroll to show that global warming is caused by humans!

[cogitator]

Add to that the evidence of increased solar output (from Mars, Triton and Pluto) and it's looks to me like a slam-dunk that the models 'proving' human induced global warming are a great example of GIGO.

There is no evidence of increased solar output based on observations of Mars, Triton, and Pluto. See the information at the link in the post directly above this one.

Regarding Svensmark, see this page:

The Role of the Sun in 20th Century Climate Change

[roaddog727]

Greenie GIGO bump.