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And can you imagine the uproar if a white candidate belonged to a church that promoted a white value system?
1 posted on 01/25/2007 9:55:37 AM PST by Sam Hill
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Obama’s Church - Afrocentric, Racist And Bush-Hating

Is that describing his religion, his politics, or both?

2 posted on 01/25/2007 9:56:47 AM PST by NonValueAdded (Pelosi, the call was for Comity, not Comedy. But thanks for the laughs. StarKisses, NVA.)
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To: Deb; kcvl; Mo1; Enchante; veronica; stocksthatgoup; mewzilla; backhoe; BushisTheMan; Grampa Dave; ..

Ping.


3 posted on 01/25/2007 9:58:14 AM PST by Sam Hill
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I wonder if you switched "white" in place of "black".....if the Dumocrats would still think Obama is their man?

On a side note... it seems like the right place to send KarLaRazaRove next time he puts his kneepads on.
4 posted on 01/25/2007 9:59:23 AM PST by taxed2death (A few billion here, a few trillion there...we're all friends right?)
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He almost sounds like a United Methodist.


5 posted on 01/25/2007 9:59:34 AM PST by Chi-townChief
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from http://www.ucc.org/justice/choice/

The United Church of Christ has affirmed and re-affirmed since 1971 that access to safe and legal abortion is consistent with a woman’s right to follow the dictates of her own faith and beliefs in determining when and if she should have children, and has supported comprehensive sexuality education as one measure to prevent unwanted or unplanned pregnancies. (General Synods VIII, IX, XI, XII, XIII, XVI, XVII, and XVIII)

Nice bunch of Christians over there...

6 posted on 01/25/2007 10:00:30 AM PST by frogjerk (REUTERS: We give smoke and mirrors a bad name)
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I tried years ago to go to some of the "mainstream" Protestant churchs in my community. No, not the level of politics in this letter but I was simply looking for a good homily on Jesus and the Bible. I knew that Catholic homilies were less than stellar. I discovered that the homilies in these churchs were no longer about Jesus or the Bible. In fact, I went to a Methodist service at Easter one year to be with my mother in law. Not one mention of the Resurrection or Our Lord. Wow.


7 posted on 01/25/2007 10:00:48 AM PST by Mercat
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We are an African people, and remain "true to our native land," the mother continent, the cradle of civilization.

Then what are they doing in this country? If they remain true to their native land then they should be making plans for going back and staying there.

8 posted on 01/25/2007 10:01:32 AM PST by teacherwoes (A fugitive from a Democratically-controlled Congress)
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Amazing


9 posted on 01/25/2007 10:02:42 AM PST by BenLurkin
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Barf!

By the looks of the schools, crime, and housing of the "black community" in this co, I would say all this liberal black power preening for the last decades have failed in the big cities.

But it sounds good to the hate-filled!
10 posted on 01/25/2007 10:03:18 AM PST by roses of sharon
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A black Democrat politician's church is afrocentric, racist and Bush-hating?

Can't tell you how surprised I'm not.

11 posted on 01/25/2007 10:04:13 AM PST by workerbee (Ladies do not start fights, but they can finish them.)
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Blog Fodder BTTT

Cheers,

knewshound

http://www.knewshound.blogspot.com/


13 posted on 01/25/2007 10:06:43 AM PST by knews_hound (Sarcastically blogging since 2004.)
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"We are an African people, and remain "true to our native land," the mother continent, the cradle of civilization."


If they are true to their native Africa and not the US then I must assume that they are foreigners. Wouldn't they be more happy in "the cradle of civilization"?


14 posted on 01/25/2007 10:06:49 AM PST by 353FMG (I never met a liberal I didn't dislike.)
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They show the worship service from Trinity on one of the local channels in Chicago, and I watched it a while back. I just caught most of the sermon, and it was pretty much straight politics with a veneer of religion.

So if Congress decides to put further restraints on the political involvement of churches, this one had better be at the top of their list. This one may have gone past current restraints, for all I know.

I am not for restraints, unless a church is so politically active that it's de facto a political organization, but on Sundays I like to take a break from politics. The Lord's Day, you know.


15 posted on 01/25/2007 10:07:26 AM PST by Southside_Chicago_Republican (Illinois -- Land of Obama)
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But not to worry. At least Osamabama didn't spend his formative years in an ACTUAL terrorist madrassa.


16 posted on 01/25/2007 10:07:46 AM PST by Argus
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To: Sam Hill

President Bush has been villified for
being Christian.

Barack Hussein Obama is a radical hating African who
is being applauded by the pop culture.


17 posted on 01/25/2007 10:08:07 AM PST by ChiMark
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Racial Socialism.


18 posted on 01/25/2007 10:08:24 AM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilisation is aborting, buggering, and contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: Sam Hill

Sounds like a pretty racist church.


20 posted on 01/25/2007 10:10:28 AM PST by dman4384
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A little more about the "Black Value System" from the Trinity Church's website (pdf):

BLACK VALUE SYSTEM

Statement of Purpose

We honor Dr. Manford Byrd, our brother in Christ, because of the exemplary manner in which he has thrice withstood the ravage of being denied his earned ascension to the number one position in the Chicago School System. His dedication to the pursuit of excellence despite these systemic denials has inspired the congregation of Trinity United Church of Christ. We have prayerfully called the wisdom of all past generations of suffering Blacks for guidance in fashioning an instrument of Black self-determination, the Black Value System.

And we shall, beginning in 1982, institute an annual Black Value System-Educational Scholarship in the name of Dr. Byrd.

This year, 1981, however, we recognize Dr. Byrd as the first recipient of the Dr. Manford Byrd Award which will be given annually to the man or woman who best exemplifies the Black Value System.

The Black Value System

These Black Ethics must be taught and exampled in homes, churches, nurseries and schools, wherever Blacks are gathered. They must reflect the following concepts:

Commitment of God

“The God of our weary years” will give us the strength to give up prayerful passivism and become Black Christian Activist, soldiers for Black freedom and the dignity of all humankind.

Commitment to the Black Community

The highest level of achievement for any Black person must be a contribution of substance to the strength and continuity of the Black of the Black Community.

Commitment to the Black Family

The Black family circle must generate strength, stability, and love despite the uncertainty of externals, because these characteristics are required if the developing person is to withstand warping by our racist competitive society.

Those Blacks who are blessed with membership in a strong family unit must reach out and expand that blessing to the less fortunate, especially to the children.

Dedication to the Pursuit of Education

We must forswear anti-intellectualism. Continued survival demands that each Black Person be developed to the utmost of his/her mental potential despite the inadequacies of the formal education process. “Real education” fosters understanding of ourselves as well as every aspect of our environment. Also it develops within us the ability to fashion concepts and tools for better utilization of our resources, and more effective solutions to our problems. Since the majority of Blacks have been denied such learning, Black Education must include elements that provide high school graduates with marketable skills, a trade or qualifications for apprenticeships, or proper preparation for college.

Basic education for all Blacks should include Mathematics, Science, Logic, General Semantics, Participative Politics, Economics and Finance, and the Care and Nurture of Black minds.

To the extent that we individually reach for, even strain for excellence, we increase, geometrically, the value and resourcefulness of the Black Community. We must recognize the relativity of one’s best: this year’s best can be bettered next year. Such is the language of growth and development. We must seek to excel in every endeavor.

Adherence to the Black Work Ethic

“It is becoming harder to find qualified people to work in Chicago” Whether this is true or not, it represents one of the many reasons given by businesses and industries for deserting the Chicago area. We must realize that a location with good facilities, adequate transportation and reputation for producing skilled workers will attract industry. We are in competition with other cities, states, and nations for jobs. High productivity must be a goal of the Black workforce.

Commitment to Self-Discipline and Self-Respect

To accomplish anything worthwhile requires self-discipline. We must be a community of self-disciplined persons, if we are to actualize and utilize our own human resources instead of perpetually submitting to exploitation by others. Self discipline coupled with a respect for self, will enable each of us to be an instrument of Black Progress, and a model for Black Youth.

Disavowal of the Pursuit of “Middleclassness”

Classic methodology on control of captives teaches that captors must keep the captive ignorant educationally, but trained sufficiently well to serve the system. Also, the captors must be able to identify the “talented tenth” of those subjugated, especially those who show promise of providing the kind of leadership that might threaten the captor’s control.

Those so identified as separated from the rest of the people by:

Killing them off directly, and/or fostering a social system that encourages them to kill off one another.

Placing them in concentration camps, and/or structuring an economic environment that induces captive youth to fill the jails and prisons.

Seducing them into a socioeconomic class system which while training them to earn more dollars, hypnotizes them into believing they are better than others and teaches them to think in terms of “we” and “they” instead of “us”.

So, while it is permissible to chase “middle-incomeness” with all our might, we must avoid the third separation method-the psychological entrapment of Black “middleclassness”: If we avoid the snare, we will also diminish our “voluntary” contributions to methods A and B. And more importantly, Black people no longer will be deprived of their birthright, the leadership, resourcefulness, and example of their own talented persons.

Pledge to Make the Fruits of All Developing and Acquired Skills Available to the Black community

Pledge to Allocate Regularly, a Portion of Personal Resources for Strengthening and Supporting Black Institutions.

Pledge Allegiance to all Black Leadership Who Espouse and Embrace The Black Value System.

Personal Commitment to Embracement of the Black Value System - to Measure the Worth and Validity of All Activity in Terms of Positive Contributions to the General Welfare of the Black Community and the Advancement of Black People towards Freedom.


21 posted on 01/25/2007 10:12:46 AM PST by Sam Hill
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They follow.....

The Nguzo Saba:
The Seven Principles of Kwanzaa


22 posted on 01/25/2007 10:12:59 AM PST by dcnd9
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Good post. Thanks.


24 posted on 01/25/2007 10:16:57 AM PST by onedoug
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