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To: MHGinTN

You're dodging my question too. Why focus on stem cell research? The frozen embryo industry discards these every day. No one utters a peep.

Show me where it says in the Bible that an embryo is a human being.

One of the reasons I oppose federal funding of embryonic stem cell research is that I recognize some people (like you) don't agree with my conclusion that an embryo is not a human being. Personally, I don't think that anyone should be forced to pay taxes to fund activity that a large number of people think is immoral. But on the other hand, there are even more who don't agree with your conclusion. I don't see why those people should be prohibited from putting their own money into this research, if they want.

We live in a democracy, and the majority rules. In this case, you are in the minority.


41 posted on 01/25/2007 10:21:58 AM PST by Brilliant
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To: Brilliant
Show me where it says in the Bible that an embryo is a human being.

Your question doesn't make any sense. You are confusing the incidental properties of human beings, such as age, with the essential nature of humanness. It is a category mistake, like asking what is the taste of the color blue.

1.What kind of being is it, if not a human being? We're not talking here about rhinoceroses or cacti here, you know. By defintion we are talking about human beings.

2.Are you a human being?

3.When did you begin to exist?

4.Were you ever an embryo?

5.When Jesus was concieved by the Holy Spirit, what kind of being was it that was conceieved?

Cordially,

43 posted on 01/25/2007 10:38:29 AM PST by Diamond
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To: Brilliant
Our representative republic is not even close to a 'majority rules' system. I hope that is not indicative of the level of exchange we're about to undertake.

As I stated, neither of us can prove when the human spirit is present with the alive being started at conception. If you don't believe there is such a thing as a human spirit, any age to exploit human beings is okay if you can create sufficient utilitarian desire for the harvest. There are a growing number who oppose the explotation of embryonic age life for in vitro fertilization, not the least of whom is Charles Krauthammer, a member of the President's Counsel On Bioethics. Conceiving embryonic humans to be stored for possible future use is an obscenity if one believes there is a human spirit and cannot know for sure that there is no human spirit in the embryo-aged human ORGANISMS. Krauthammer suggests conceiving only the number of embryos who will be implanted at a single episode of in vitro fert. That is a minimal position I could support, though I would prefer the practice be halted all together until the most efficient methodology could be developed via experimentation with other mammals, first.

That is a key feature to address in the debate over embryos ... the fact that the embryo is an ORGANISM, a HUMAN organism. And if you believe there is a human spirit, then it is essential to err on the side of life if we are to err at all. Focusing on embryonic stem cell exploitation is essential to speaking out in pro-life mode because your life and mine and billions of human lives all began at conception of the individual, even if a second or third individual may emerge followig the first individual life at zygote age.

The Bible is very clear that unborn alive humans are human beings of individual worth. Not being able to cite a specific date at which this human being has a human spirit is the heart of why we ought not be exploiting the earliest age in the lifetime of the individual human being.

44 posted on 01/25/2007 10:43:27 AM PST by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support. Promote life support for others.)
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