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Evolution battles caused by politically powerful
WorldNetDaily ^ | January 24, 2007 1:00 a.m. Eastern | Bob Unruh

Posted on 01/24/2007 3:02:32 PM PST by Tim Long

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To: Tim Long

What's with the funny outfits?


41 posted on 01/25/2007 9:32:45 AM PST by UpAllNight
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To: editor-surveyor

Rather than employ a semantic atrocity like "secular religion", why not use a perfectly good word that fits the idea you're trying to convey and that everyone understands the meaning of, like "heresy"?


42 posted on 01/25/2007 9:33:12 AM PST by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: tacticalogic

Why? To make people like you get bogged down in non issues- you BOTH knew what I was refering to- I explained it well enough- yet amazingly, this seems to have become an issue more important than who poisoned litvenko?

As Running wolf said- it seems to be a favorite tactic of folks to quibble about a gnat while choking on a camel. The point was that folks in ID don't even believe that God is the creator or originator of the Design- The accusation was that I.D was a 'religious endeavor' and therefore not true science- and you know very well that my point was that if folks who study the evidences don't even belief God created the design that it is a SECULAR view as to what caused the design we see in nature. Discovery.org clearly explains they don't study design to propose that God is the originator- they simply study and record and examine the design itself.

But do keep glomming onto a non issue as htough it would be the end of the world because a minor mistake were made- it's tittilating to watch.


43 posted on 01/25/2007 9:53:16 AM PST by CottShop
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To: CottShop
Why? To make people like you get bogged down in non issues- you BOTH knew what I was refering to- I explained it well enough- yet amazingly, this seems to have become an issue more important than who poisoned litvenko?

I'm a Rush fan. "Words mean things". People who use words that don't mean anything are hiding something.

44 posted on 01/25/2007 10:52:24 AM PST by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: tacticalogic

either that or they didn't explain precisely enough and made tiny errors- I type fast, I try to get my thoughts on paper as precisely as possible- sometimes it doesn't come out so well- but the basic meanings are there- yes, words are important, so aren't intended meanings as well- and the quibblings I've seen are over the precisions of the owrds when the meanings shoulkd have been understood and obviously-


45 posted on 01/25/2007 11:10:59 AM PST by CottShop
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Effort and good intentions are more important than getting the right answer placemarker.


46 posted on 01/25/2007 11:16:35 AM PST by js1138 (The absolute seriousness of someone who is terminally deluded.)
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To: Luis Gonzalez
I want the Hyborean age included in my kid's history classes, and more studies on the impact of Conan the Barbarian on modern European culture.

WWBMMD?

(What Would Bran Mak Morn Do?

47 posted on 01/25/2007 11:19:26 AM PST by Wormwood (Your Friendly Neighborhood Moderate)
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To: CottShop

The meaning of "secular religion" is far from obvious. The meaning of "heresy" is quite obvious. What is idea are you trying to convey that is inconsistent with the meaning of the word "heresy"?


48 posted on 01/25/2007 11:20:18 AM PST by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: tacticalogic

Tactic- you KNOW that I meant folks who practice some sort of religion but do NOT think God Created the design- what you are attempting to do is avoid this obviousness- play dumb, and zero in on issues that are so minute that by themselves they are nothing, BUT if enough of them are gathered together, you'll create a negative image of me or others in the minds of your jury. These are games that are played lesser forums as I pointed out- by folks who either can't or won't focuss on the meat of the subject and instead get into intense quibblings over non issues- OBVIOUSLY, anyone that doesn't beleive God created design is NOT practicing the Religion of God as they doubt God's own word. Call them what you like- I'll refere to them as secular religions who may have a mind knowledge of God, but are NOT God's true children- the secular mindset has crept in and overtaken their minds- they can claim to be God's people but they are not, as explained in detail by God's own word clearly enough.

If it makes you happy, so as to avoid two more pages of this little symantics game- I'll reword my original point and state that "People who don't believe God had ANYTHING to do with design work on the panel, AND in the secular science realm and who study STRICT science, yet feel that design is present in nature and believe a force is behind that design- whether that force is nature, or some other they take no position on the matter and instead focus on the design itself and adhere to STRICT science. To assert that ID is the same as Creation science therefore is dishonest and untrue. AND to even assert that Creation science doesn't adhere to STRICT science in their studies is equally dishonest and formed by a bias that allows eovlutionists the luxuries of opinion, but denies Chreation scientists the same luxuries of opinion. It is the OPINION of evolusionsits that the EVIDENCES that are scientifically discovered point to evolution- it is the OPINION of Creation Scientists that the EVIDENCES that are scientifically discovered point ot creation- it is the OPINION of ID scientists that the EVIDENCES that are scientifically discovered point to design- whether that design have a "natural" catylyst or be of a "force" catylyst is not known, but it is the DESIGN that is important in the study as further study of DESIGN may reveal important new evidences."

Are there some in ID movement that have opinions as to what the design means? Sure- does that discredit their scientific studies? ABSOLUTELY NOT- their ultimate goal is to study the design and to discover how that design affects everything.

Now- if you have a problem with my above statement, then address that and drop the symantics


49 posted on 01/25/2007 12:06:52 PM PST by CottShop
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To: CottShop
Tactic- you KNOW that I meant folks who practice some sort of religion but do NOT think God Created the design- what you are attempting to do is avoid this obviousness-

Not at all. What I am attempting to do is de-obfuscate what it is you're actually saying.

When you say "secular religion" is there anything that you attribute to that idea that would not be equally expressed by using the term "heresy"?

50 posted on 01/25/2007 12:18:54 PM PST by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: Tim Long

Laughable.


51 posted on 01/25/2007 12:21:06 PM PST by Psycho_Bunny
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To: tacticalogic

buh bye- go play your games elsewhere- the meanings AND lengthy explanations by me have made clear- I'm done- play if you like, but you'll play alone-


52 posted on 01/25/2007 12:21:09 PM PST by CottShop
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To: WestVirginiaRebel
Creationists: We can't prove our beliefs, so call it science, then legislate it! ; )

More like: "We don't have a particle of physical evidence for our beliefs, so legislate it as it science!"

53 posted on 01/25/2007 12:23:41 PM PST by blowfish
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To: CottShop

This is not a game. I'll call 'em like I see 'em and let the chips fall where they will. Your "explanations" will stay behind after you're gone, and speak for themselves.


54 posted on 01/25/2007 12:32:29 PM PST by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: tacticalogic; CottShop

You claim to be a Rush fan, but apparently you are a selective fan. Rush has spoken at length regarding the religion of secular humanism. It means something to him , but not to his fan, huh?

Your circular babble is a veiled form of adhominem attack; you are attempting to make cott look foolish, and thereby discredit his ideas. It won't work; you are transparent.


55 posted on 01/25/2007 3:17:23 PM PST by editor-surveyor
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To: editor-surveyor; CottShop
You claim to be a Rush fan, but apparently you are a selective fan. Rush has spoken at length regarding the religion of secular humanism. It means something to him , but not to his fan, huh?

I am familiar with "secular humanism". The secular humanists intentionally obfuscate the distinction between "secular humanism" and "theistic humanism" in an attempt to have it both ways. I'm not fooled by or impressed with the tactic, nor am I willing to overlook you and cottshop engaging in the same exercise in sophistry because "they're doing it too".

56 posted on 01/25/2007 3:34:50 PM PST by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: tacticalogic

The sophistry is all yours. You are transparent.


57 posted on 01/25/2007 3:51:00 PM PST by editor-surveyor
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To: editor-surveyor

So you say. Like I said, I call 'em like I see 'em and let the chips fall where they will. If that's all you've got, then we're done.


58 posted on 01/25/2007 3:53:44 PM PST by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: tacticalogic

Now matter how much you push the envelope itll still be stationery


59 posted on 01/25/2007 4:11:20 PM PST by CottShop
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To: CottShop
I thought you left.

Now matter how much you push the envelope itll still be stationery.

How special.

60 posted on 01/25/2007 4:14:46 PM PST by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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