If We Fail ......(Victor Davis Hanson: Been there, done that)

NRO ^ | January 19, 2007 | Victor Davis Hanson

[hershey]

Let's hope this column gets read by GW. You can't argue with VD's logic.

[samtheman]

A Libyan dissident, a feminist writer in Egypt, or an Iraqi intellectual who decries Western indifference to their plight or American tolerance of regional dictatorships will be told to quit whining and get a life

That's the current leftist-liberal attitude today. If you're not complaining about the horrors of "neo-conservatism" or the horrors of Christianity, then don't complain at all. Nobody wants to hear about Castro's jails or Islam's 3/4 billion female slaves.

[Alberta's Child]

VDH raises some good points here, but this "we must win or else" mantra is getting tiresome. The biggest problem is not that the anti-war movement has gained political clout in recent years -- it is that people like VDH are pushing a "victory" scenario that is filled with holes and inconsistencies.

For one thing, nobody (including eloquent voices on this issue like VDH) has ever been able to clearly explain how the establishment of an Islamic state -- and a Marxist one at that -- in the Middle East is in the best interests of the United States, does anything to promote American ideals in the Middle East, etc. And nobody has ever been able to clearly explain how the heck the U.S. could possibly wage a "war on terror" anywhere else in the world in the aftermath of that idiotic 9/11 commission whose sole purpose was to cover up the incompetence and/or malfeasance of people in the upper reaches of the U.S. government (on both sides of the aisle) in protecting the citizenry of this country over the last 10-15 years.

This is the kind of nonsense that makes objective conservatives like me utterly cynical about what the hell the real agenda is here.

[Eva]

James Taranto, on Best of the Web, mentioned, concerning Kennedy's talk of abandoning the people of Iraq, that Kennedy makes a habit of giving friends the choice to sink or swim.

[stainlessbanner]

just send the fax to Rogue Manor

[IrishMike]

.....that Kennedy makes a habit of giving friends the choice to sink or swim.
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Now that's good.

[Tolik]

Combined ping to 2 ping lists

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[IrishMike]

Put me on that ping list please.

Mike

[Valin]

Bump

[jazusamo]

Yes, we may see thousands killed, displaced, and maimed if the United States flees from Iraq. And that tremor in the foundations of American power may embolden everyone from Hugo Chavez to Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.

Excellent piece by Hanson, thanks for post and ping.

To the loonie left, the above will be justified as long as they reclaim the White House and maintain the majority in Congress, they are a sad bunch.

[Gritty]

Great article by Hanson.

We are being defeated in Iraq and the terribly misnamed "War On Terror" right here at home. This is Bush's last chance to reverse it by bringing success in Iraq. But even he approaches this crucial battle with his Administration forces terribly divided, U.S. Deadlocked on Whether To Free Iranian Terror Suspects

If he fails, we will be in '08, and I fear events are aligning such that our future will be in the hands of Hillary (*shudder*) and the Dhimmicrats. In other words, America's goose is cooked on all levels.

We will be the new "Boat People" with no place to run...

[Mr. Silverback]

There's also a great eric Allie cartoon with the Dem donkey pointing to the pic of the last helicopter fleeing our embassy in Saigon and saying "And they all lived happily ever after."

[Tolik]

Added to the VDH ping list. Thanks

[IrishMike]

...."And they all lived happily ever after."

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I don't know about the happiness of those that survived.
Never met many Vietnamese tourists at Disney world.

[IrishMike]

Thank you.

[oldbrowser]

Prior to Iraq, there was some American guilt over past realism, whether stopping before Baghdad in 1991, playing Iran off Iraq, cozying up to dictatorships,

What I take away from this war is that liberals will undermine any long term conflict so it is necessary to use surrogates and tyrants through back channels to protect our interests.

[Grampa Dave]

"Leaving Iraq prematurely will also damage the credibility of the Democratic party, the reputation of American ground forces, and the idealism of American foreign policy — just those principles that the critics of the war oddly claim they will be saving by fleeing."

Throw in the back stabbing walk on water pseudo conservatives, who hate GW more than the rats do, as the other big losers.

[Grampa Dave]

"Both are required, before America grows up again. And before anyone yells at me, I know full well that there are millions of patriotic Boomers who served their country well, and lived productive lives. But an entire age group will have to die of natural causes before we can get back to being what we were meant to be, before everything got horribly side-tracked, during the Summer of Love."

I am afraid that you are so right. Until the Kennedy, Kerry, the Clintons and other hatriotics take the long sleep, America will never have a chance to be a good and powerful nation. They are so mentally defective, they feel that their hatred of America is patriotic. So they are the Hatriotics, and they will continue to soil America until they are all long gone.

[happygrl]

In short, the next Democratic president who wishes to do something about the genocide in Darfur or another mass murderer in the Middle East, will find no support from Republicans, or — in no small part due to liberals’ slurs against the war they voted for — from the country at large.

This point was made by a Sudanese expatriate, now teaching at a US university, to my daughter's class on Genocide here in California, although he was not pointing the finger at Republicans.

The undermining of President Bush's effort in Iraq has made less likely assistance in other world crisis. Unlike many of her generation, my daughter clearly sees that the party of compassion and values is Republican, not Democrat.

[GOPJ]

Instead Howard Dean’s once-pathetic yeehawing has now infected the likes of Senators Boxer, Durbin, Kennedy, Kerry, and Rockefeller, who have respectively rebuked Condoleezza Rice for childlessness, compared our troops to Pol Pot, Nazis, and terrorists, assured that our soldiers are no different from Baathist killers at Abu Ghraib, and suggested that things in Iraq were once better under Saddam.

You're right. It's powerful.