[leadpenny]

After all, this isn't Vietnam, this time we have a real enemy

I guess those were imaginary rounds hitting my Slick?

Those 58,000+ names on the Wall - - not names of real people?

We jokingly called it The SE Asian War Games, but I thought it was real.

[Tarpon]

Sorry no offense meant. In Vietnam the enemy was really the Soviets and Chinese. They weren't going to invade the US, unless they wanted their country to be a cinder. That's the problem with political proxy wars like Vietnam. The pain was real, the suffering and deaths of our troops were real, the politicians were dishonest with their intents, and betrayed the trust of the country for political gain ... see John Kerry for details.

Yes I know, some 7.5 million people died after we left Vietnam, but the enemy didn't follow us home.

If we left Iraq, the terrorists would just be emboldened and come for us at home and abroad. The consequences would be real and devastating. We rely on a stable world, so Iran nuking Israel is going to have the same effect as nuking the US or any other allied country. Suppose al Qaida set off a nuke outside one of our foreign embassies? Then what?

What I meant is the enemy will follow us home in Iraq ... that would be very bad. We cannot disengage, like we could in Vietnam, with no direct consequences. As had been said before, militant Islam has declared war on the US, rather we want to recognize that or not. We cannot escape that fact by cutting and running in Iraq.

It's much different from a political proxy war, the enemy is real, they want us all dead, and our country destroyed.

That is the fallacy of today's leftard argument.