Posted on 01/15/2007 7:57:55 PM PST by Alter Kaker
I wonder how many of these "vets" and "troops" are really troops. Almost every anti=war "vet" turns out to be a phony: Micah Wright, Jesse Macbeth, and on and on and on. Indeed, I'm not aware of any of the publically celebrated members of "Iraq Veterans Against the War" who is actually, you know, an "Iraq Veteran."
This is the same thing that happened with the VVAW, of which the IVAW is a spinoff. Look at an IVAW protest and you see all the paunchy sixty-year olds in grey ponytails and BDUs (a uniform from the 1980s) with a dog's breakfast of mismatched pins and patches.
Sure, there are some traitors who piss on the blood of their former mates (Stan Goff, who is active in IVAW despite not being an IV, comes to mind), but most of them are just unemployed, welfare-leech mama's boys pretending to be traitors.
As strange as it sounds, in DU/Kos social circles, traitor is something to aspire to. Extra points if you can blame all your troubles on "New York money people" or some other synonym for Joooooz.
You'd have to have lived a sheltered childhood and never known a soul who was actually in the military to take these clowns seriously -- which is why MSM reporters take them seriously.
d.o.l.
Criminal Number 18F
If that's true and that's a big if, these 50 officers must not like their commissions.
"Sounds like a coup attempt."
Yes it does. It's more than politics at this point.
This Cantu is the one who has the Iraq Veterans Against the War website. Evidently, sponsored by moveon.org, they are marching on Washington on January 27.
per unitedforpeace.org website
“Any troop increase over here will just produce more sitting ducks, more targets,”
This is the lefty meme of the moment, intended apparently for the hinterland masses and not for the self-designated elite. It is so widespread in fact that it has made its way onto a promo for one of the gibbering baboons who hosts a morning talk-show in Lubbock. Do these people really suppose that terror attacks are currently limited by the terrorists' inability to find more targets?
If legit, it's probably because we're fighting a PC war instead of killing people and breaking things.
When I was in the Navy, you could perhaps ask to discuss a piece of strategy. You could recommend a change to strategy. But to tell your superior that his/her strategy was wrong was to ask to get real familiar with the inside of the brig.
Yeah, well, a lot of GIs came home from Vietnam and noticed how easy the hippy round-eye was if you just said the right things about their anti-war line.
It isn't nice but it's the truth.
I see this as being incredibly dangerous, and if Pelosi and Co are behind this, they're playing with fire.
One of the things that sets the United States of America apart from nearly every other country in history (although many countries have "copied" the US in recent decades) is that the military is subservient to civilian leadership. The President is the Commander in Chief. If this petition is seen as threatening the legitimate and legal command structure, we could get into a position of the military refusing lawful orders from the civilian political leadership.
If Pelosi and Co are so blinded by their hatred for President Bush as to try to get the military to refuse the orders, they're setting up the US for a possible military coup.
Mark
I'm guessing Sergeant Cantu is looking for an early out...
The left will regret this if President Hildabeast issues orders to protect leftists from mobs seeking revenge for the millions of Iraqis slaughtered in the wake of the US withdrawal.
"A group of more than 50 active-duty military officers will deliver a petition to Congress on Tuesday signed by about 1,000 troops calling for an end to the U.S. occupation of Iraq."
Fine. Send the 1,000 home and deliver them administrative, General Discharges (implies under honorable conditions) as soon as practical. Their continued presence in the theatre of operations is a detriment to the espirit de corps as well as the general mission in Iraq. Let them march where they belong, with John Kerry's friends in the streets.
"If legit, it's probably because we're fighting a PC war instead of killing people and breaking things"
This is what came to mind when I read the article. The troops need to be unleashed to do what they are trained to do. No more sitting ducks!
The Dems/Media keep saying the November vote results proved people were unhappy with the war, bring them home. Everyone I have spoken to are unhappy the troops seem to have short leashes on. Meaning they don't think the troops should leave Iraq but should let all hell break loose!!!!!!That's what my "unhappy" means.
Thanks.
FINE! Send the wimps home .. who the hell wants them watching the backs of our children.
This is just the morons at Appeals for Redress - one of the offshoots of Veterans for Peace and other socialist organizations. The leader of this farce, Jonathan Hutto, has a long history of America bashing despite his military service as a photographer on a navy vessel.
Welcome to Free Republic.
"If America and the West were completely united and still steeped in their Christian faith, then islam wouldn't stand a chance."
Unfortunately, you have caved in to bin Laden's dream of religious conflict between Christianity and Islam. America and the West win when we use universal values to marginalize our enemies, not when we set off a tribal conflict of religious superiority. Nothing would strengthen al-Qaeda as much as a conflict of civilizations.
Morons.
Encouraging conduct as this lowers morale all over and increases the death rate of our troops.
The best way to bring them home fastest is to support them winning, a word Democrats have thrown out of their play book.
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