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I've been a CONSERVATIVE and a REPUBLCIAN probably longer than you've been alive.

You obviously grossly underestimate how long I have been alive, and I bless you for that.

But I was a conservative when being a conservative meant not wanting the government in MY bedroom or MY marriage or MY house or MY religion.............not trying to impose some extremist views on me and the rest of the world.

I am not just a conservative -- I am a libertarian. I rather doubt you could out-do me in wanting to keep the government out of my affairs. Nevertheless, I think that you have not properly assessed the situation.

Perhaps you should look around to see just who is USING this web site.

I have tried to do exactly that in my own unorganized, unaligned way. And I think that you have miscalculated the way things have evolved.

The tunnel vision brand of conservatives who have sucked the life out of this forum don't have a party of their own, so they've tried to take over this one -- and you see where they got us.

Here you are conceding that you are not a conservative. You are also asserting that conservatives have sucked the life out of a conservative forum. As I say, I am as much and probably more libertarian as conservative. But I respect that this forum was founded to promote conservative principles and the Republican Party inasmuch as it is the best vehicle to promote those principles. As to "where this has got us," I think that you have not learned the right lessons from the "recent unpleasantness." The results from the last election cannot fairly be laid at the door of conservatives, for a variety of reasons.

As I said, the GOP will simply now move further to the center and the "real, true" conservatives looking down their noses at the rest of us all these years will be left wandering in the desert again.

I don't profess to know what the GOP will do, but I don't know how it could move to the center when the right owns the primaries. As to wandering in the desert, well, better people than I have done that! And just what will the GOP be doing while the conservatives are wandering in the desert? Wandering about the same desert, I daresay.

And, quite frankly, I don't give a damn if you're sickened or not; this place is kind of sickening lately.

Well, I didn't tell you that I was sickened to get a rise out of you or for any reason other than to state that I was sickened. You and I are not so far apart on the issues that we should be sickened at each other. But here we are.