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To: Northern Alliance

"but this is from the perspective of a Muslim Arab."

And since most Iraqis are Muslims, this viewpoint should be considered.

I concur with his assessment about the Musilm charcter and the failure of the Bush administration to consider that millenia of tyrannical rule, re-inforced by cultural and religious norms could be effectively altered using western style techniques.

His suggestion is a valid one and one which has worked - as he points out.

As long as these people adhere to the Koran and its autocratic perspecitves regarding personal life, democracy is a vain dream for these people.

Furthermore, our primary reasons for getting involved there were to defend ourselves and our own best interests and Bush somehow allowed this to be morphed into an exercize in social refomr on a massive level.

There is not a singel Iraq - there are many Iraq - Shiities, Sunni and Kurdish and even more. Trying to bring these essentially 7th Century Shiekdoms into the world of 21st century Democracies wsa an exercise in futility.

We should have kept our primary objectives in mind, destroyed Saddam and his regime, moved on to the do the same thing in IRan and Syria, and either done as this writer suggests, or simply pulled out immediately and left these primitives to sort their problems out intheir own way.


2 posted on 12/27/2006 10:56:25 PM PST by ZULU (Non nobis, non nobis Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, guts and guns made America great.)
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To: ZULU

"As long as these people adhere to the Koran and its autocratic perspecitves regarding personal life, democracy is a vain dream for these people."

There is really nothing else to be said. You said it all.


6 posted on 12/27/2006 11:10:40 PM PST by sageb1 (This is the Final Crusade. There are only 2 sides. Pick one.)
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To: ZULU

A returning civilian contractor from Iraq just informed me that only 2% of the people are problematic in Iraq. Of the 14 million, that means less than 300,000 present a problem. Unfortunately, 300,000 is a lot to kill and would make us look worse than Saddam, who killed far less than that number.


8 posted on 12/27/2006 11:17:53 PM PST by raftguide
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To: ZULU
Good analysis.

In the end we in the West must recognize that muslims are utterly compelled, at the deepest psychological levels, to live under severely oppressive, horrifically violent dictatorships.

Iraqi's have voted 3 times. Give them 6 or 10 more national votes and they will reinstate dictatorship. While there are a handful of freedom loving Iraqi's, especially in the Iraqi army, I suspect that within 20 years they will have been purged.

Muslims do not want freedom or the institutions that define and support freedom. They LIKE violent dictatorship and they will happily kill and die for violent dictatorship.

They LIKE beheadings, burkas, mass murder, public executions, petty tribalism, beatings by religious police, honor killings, assassinations, genital mutilation, excruciating torture, Gestapo like political oppression and every sort of totalitarianism you can imagine. They were way ahead of Marx and Hitler.

They LIKE these things, they WANT these things and THEY WILL KILL ANYONE AND EVERYONE TO GET THESE THINGS.
19 posted on 12/28/2006 1:36:13 AM PST by navyguy (We don't need more youth. What we need is a fountain of SMART.)
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