If Russia were located beyond the ocean, she would not be bled by WWI and the small political sect of Bolsheviks could not seize power there.
Communism came from Western Europe and had broader support in Germany, Spain, France, Italy etc ... There was a bloody civil war in Spain, in Germany and Italy the Communism was suppressed by Fascism which in National Socialist form was not better than the Soviet system.
The core patriotic part of Russian society fought long war against the Reds (not so differently than it was done in Spain). They lost because they did not get help from abroad. The large part of the Soviet elite was recruited from non-Russians and the Soviet system mellowed over generations as Russian ethnic and cultural element took over for demographic reason.
the absence of such re-birth in the US means that the slavery here existed as sociologically superficial [with regard to the basis of civilization] phenomenon.
We do not know it. Slavery was integral part of culture and economy in the South and blacks got full civil rights only in the second half of XX century. Now we see the rise of Political Correctness and of totalitarian militant secularism (not so different from the one which devastated Russia.)
Do not take liberties for granted, and do not project weak aspects of the human nature which are UNIVERSAL into one demonized group be they Russian, Jews or Serbs. As history teaches, it brings evil fruits.
Prejudice means judging without knowledge [pre-judging], If one has knowledge and judges based on it, then whatever else it could be, prejudice it is not. Of that knowledge I - by virtue of being born and growing up there - claim sufficiency. And at sociological/civilizational level Russian civ and history are beautifully summed in the saying "ya nachal'nik - ty der'mo, ty nachal'nik - ya der'mo" [If I'm the boss, then you are a turd, and if you're the boss then I'm a turd]. This is that very fundamental level of which I was writing on this thread earlier. And naturally I deny the validity of such a civilization in all its parts: root, trunk, bark, leaves and branches. Barbari sunt, barbarice egit.
The first Communist takeover -- the Bavarian free state -- was put down by Weimar.
Just a tidbit of factual history......
Quote: "A Bolshevik victory, financed by American Bankers, guaranteed preferential treatment for John D. Rockefeller, and world domination of the oil business" at that time. This started the Russian reign of terror, financed and supported by us....
Quote: from U.S. News & World Report, March 13, 1967 page 67
"The government of Alexander Kerensky, an interim government between the Czar and Lenin, received support provately from industry in America. It was hinted that this financial support came from the same Americans and American banks that had supported Lenin 1n 1905".
The reason for such large cash gifts to the Bolshevik cause was simple. Rockefeller's Standard Oil Company has seen an international competitor surface. The source of all this oil ....The Baku oil fields, Caspian Sea, Russia. Russia's Czar Nicholas II invited the European partnership of Rothschild and Nobel to develop his oil fields, and even constructed a railroad for their use. (Collier, Peter & David Horowitz, "The Rockefellers; An American Dynasty. hold, Rinehart & Winston, New York, 1976, Page 40)
In other words, The history books are full of it...in truth, the people wanted the Czar to remain as ruler. The media and history books are wrong. Our money provided the funding necessary for the beginning of the most despotic government of all history. I have a problem with that. Then guess who takes the communist out later.....yep...
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"Finally, lest this explanation seem too radical, remember that it was Trotsky who appointed tsarist generals to consolidate the Red Army; that it was Trotsky who appealed for American officers to control revolutionary Russia and intervene in behalf of the Soviets; that it was Trotsky who squashed first the libertarian element in the Russian Revolution and then the workers and peasants; and that recorded history totally ignores the 700,000-man Green Army composed of ex-Bolsheviks, angered at betrayal of the revolution, who fought the Whites and the Reds. In other words, we are suggesting that the Bolshevik Revolution was an alliance of statists: statist revolutionaries and statist financiers aligned against the genuine revolutionary libertarian elements in Russia.3
'The question now in the readers' minds must be, were these bankers also secret Bolsheviks? No, of course not. The financiers were without ideology. It would be a gross misinterpretation to assume that assistance for the Bolshevists was ideologically motivated, in any narrow sense. The financiers were power-motivated and therefore assisted any political vehicle that would give them an entree to power: Trotsky, Lenin, the tsar, Kolchak, Denikin — all received aid, more or less. All, that is, but those who wanted a truly free individualist society.
Neither was aid restricted to statist Bolsheviks and statist counter-Bolsheviks. John P. Diggins, in Mussolini and Fascism: The View from America,4 has noted in regard to Thomas Lamont of Guaranty Trust that
Of all American business leaders, the one who most vigorously patronized the cause of Fascism was Thomas W. Lamont. Head of the powerful J.P. Morgan banking network, Lamont served as something of a business consultant for the government of Fascist Italy."
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"In 1910 Carnegie donated $10 million to found the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace, and among those on the board of trustees were Elihu Root (Root Mission to Russia, 1917), Cleveland H. Dodge (a financial backer of President Wilson), George W. Perkins (Morgan partner), G. J. Balch (AIC and Amsinck), R. F. Herrick (AIC), H. W. Pritchett (AIC), and other Wall Street luminaries. Woodrow Wilson came under the powerful influence of — and indeed was financially indebted to — this group of internationalists. As Jennings C. Wise has written, "Historians must never forget that Woodrow Wilson... made it possible for Leon Trotsky to enter Russia with an American passport."12...
...it appears to be the foreign counterpart of Carroll Quigley's claim that J.P. Morgan infiltrated the domestic left. Morgan also infiltrated the international left....
Ludwig Martens, the Soviet's first ambassador, had been vice president of Weinberg & Posner, which was also located at 120-Broadway. Guaranty Trust Company was next door at 140 Broadway...
It is significant that support for the Bolsheviks did not cease with consolidation of the revolution.... The American-Russian syndicate formed in 1918 to obtain concessions in Russia was backed by the White, Guggenheim, and Sinclair interests. Directors of companies controlled by these three financiers included Thomas W. Lamont (Guaranty Trust), William Boyce Thompson (Federal Reserve Bank).... This strongly suggests that the syndicate was formed to cash in on earlier support for the Bolshevik cause in the revolutionary period. And then we found that Guaranty Trust financially backed the Soviet Bureau in New York in 1919."