Posted on 12/19/2006 9:45:14 PM PST by freedomdefender
**Homosexuality was listed as a mental disorder in The Diagnostic and Statistical Manual until 1973.**
And slavery was considered acceptable for years. What's your point? People can't be wrong?
**Gay activism, not science, was the force behind removing homosexuality as a mental disorder.**
What science was behind listing it to begin with?
**There is no valid argument to the above fact. Even homosexual activist and scientist Simon LeVay admits this is his book Queer Science. I own this book and verified the quote.**
So because one person says it, it must be true? That's no different than the conservatives running around saying we never should have gone into Iraq. One person's opinion does not make an argument.
**There is no gay gene.**
I didn't say there was.
**There isn't a single credible scientist that denies the above fact.**
Does "credible" mean they agree with you?
**The environment in which children are raised is key.**
Yes. But it doesn't always play a factor. I like butterflies. What environmental factor played a part in that?
**There is no genetic test or procedure, experimental or otherwise, that can determine one's sexual preference.
When somebody claims to be gay, the only evidence they have to support their claim is their word, their testimony, their declaration.**
What proof do you have that you're heterosexual?
**The same evidence exists for ex-gays, yet those who believe the testimony of gays apparently refuse to believe the testimony of ex-gays.**
The opposite argument holds true. Those who believe the argument of "ex-gays" refuse to believe gays.
**The ex-gay population continues to grow.**
Have you ever looked at studies/articles that refuted your argument?
Studies and articles get posted here all the time, yet not a single study or article can refute my argument. If you have a study or article that refutes/disproves/discredits anything I've posted then go ahead and post it. Because I've been doing this for so long, I already know you can't, and soon everybody will know you can't. Facts are facts.
BTTT
They can't refute your argument because you refuse to believe anything that doesn't support your argument. You didn't respond to anything else I said. I could post a thousand articles or studies and you wouldn't believe them. Why should I waste my time?
--The more screwed up their childhood was the more likely they are to be screwed up as adults. Go figure.--
The more screwed up our ancestors, the more screwed up the descendents. Go Figure.
Words mean things. You just said to longtermmemory:
You're not going to [change my mind], you never will.You've already made up your mind and you're asking me to waste my time.
You previously asked if I have you ever looked at studies/articles that refuted my argument. As I said, articles and studies get posted here all the time yet none refute/discredit/disproves my argument, nor any of the articles I've posted.
Now, if you care to post anything that can refute/discredit/disprove my argument or any of the articles I've posted, by all means, post away. Unfortunately for you, you can't.
Here are some articles for those interested:
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Good question. Maybe you shouldn't.
Freud was right: Weak fathers and strong willed mother's = gay children. It doesn't help when the kid gets molested by an old queen either.
You might want to take note of this suggestion: think before posting.
In post 99 you said:
I don't know why you're so insistent on trying to change my mind. You're not going to, you never will. And, no, I'd rather not check out the "homosexual agenda" articles.Perhaps you should direct your above comment to yourself because, by your own admission you've made up your mind and refuse to read articles. Whereas I've asked you to post anything that could discredit anything I've said. I'm the one requesting information and you're the one refusing to change your mind and get educated on the subject.
That's ridiculous, You'd have to know all about everyone's family situation, to make such a statement.
It seems plausible to me that genetic and prenatal influences (e.g. hormonal environment before birth) could predispose some individuals to different sex and gender orientations, with childhood and adolescent experiences as confirming or triggering factors.
Human sexual response is really a complex thing.
This is precisely why I avoid these threads. I don't want to argue with any of you. I'm done.
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That was hurtful.
That's similar to what the experts say. Here's an interesting read:
How Might Homosexuality Develop? Putting the Pieces Together
This is a hugely complex issue and one which I have spent years researching. In all those years I've seen all the bad science referenced so many times it's way past old, and sometimes that shows up in my posts. Sorry, I could have shown you the patience I've given others.
Do you suppose that older sister Ann (Lewis) has something to do with Barney Franks sexual-orientation?
You said: No one was born a transvestite. We are born naked.
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Does that convert transvestites into nudists while they are in the shower?
What was his mom married too?
Hmmm? Have we ever seen Ann with Barnie?
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