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No more bubbles to bail out the housing bubble
MSN money ^ | 12/18/06 | Bill Fleckenstein

Posted on 12/19/2006 7:14:11 AM PST by finnman69

Wall Street has a soft spot for the "soft landing" thesis, but to me it's crystal clear that a serious economic slowdown is under way. What has been surprising: not that the economy is weakening but that so many people seem to expect a soft landing, and therefore remain in denial about the seriousness of the slowdown.

I guess the predilection toward a soft landing is a function of the following: So many folks in the investment business -- and in the country at large-- haven't experienced a consumer-led recession in so long that they think this outcome is just not possible. That's because the Federal Reserve Board has evolved into being a business-cycle suppressor and bubble manager. Consequently, folks just assume that economic weakness is a feature of the business cycles of yesteryear.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy
KEYWORDS: bubble; fannie; fanniemae; fleckenstein; fnm; housing; housingbubble; realestate; schadenfreude; softlending
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The bubbles are mainly coastal, ground zero being Boston, NYC/NJ area, DC/VA, almost all of Florida minus the NE, Phoenix, Las Vegas, and California

See these new maps of the 100 biggest US housing markets

http://money.cnn.com/popups/2006/fortune/invguide_realestate/index.html

1 posted on 12/19/2006 7:14:13 AM PST by finnman69
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To: finnman69
Various areas in the stock market are more vulnerable than others, though in some ways, it's all one trade. Consequently, I think the chance for at least double-digit negative returns next year is very high.

There's my cue to buy.

2 posted on 12/19/2006 7:20:24 AM PST by Minn
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To: GodGunsGuts
The consumer slowdown is on the way.

Now, however, it's quite clear that the consumer is being affected -- whether one looks at the sales data from Wal-Mart and other retailers, or at the Liscio Report's data on state sales-tax receipts. To quote from Liscio's latest survey: "The weakening consumption trend is now established, and the majority of our tax contacts expressed real concern about a slowing in sales-tax collections. It now appears clear that consumers are not spending the billions of dollars they have saved on gas in recent months." Furthermore, when I e-mailed Liscio to share my view that we are entering a recession, here's the response I received: "We note with a shudder that our indexes look a lot the way they did in fall of 2000, especially the weakening and then big drop in the sales tax survey. The SDI led us into the last recession, and the states that led are very weak right now, as well."

3 posted on 12/19/2006 7:21:23 AM PST by finnman69 (cum puella incedit minore medio corpore sub quo manifestu s globus, inflammare animos)
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To: finnman69
What has been surprising: not that the economy is weakening but that so many people seem to expect a soft landing, and therefore remain in denial about the seriousness of the slowdown.

Tell me ALL about it. I could write for a solid hour about the denial I see in school children who think they can avoid homework, not study, remain ignorant and STILL demand the same pay and benefits that an educated person is going to earn. Pay day has to come or all of God's laws, economic laws, etc. will have been broken.

4 posted on 12/19/2006 7:21:37 AM PST by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin (Freedom is the freedom to discipline yourself so others don't have to do it for you.)
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

housing permits down...PPI up too...

My thoughts we are on the first tier of the housing crash..two more tiers to go...


5 posted on 12/19/2006 7:24:50 AM PST by Youngman442002
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin
Get back to me when we actually have these double-digit loses the bubble heads have been telling us about. Right now we have seen about a 3.5% fall and it appears to be the bottom, which is the soft landing we have expected.

Why do bubble heads always proclaim themselves correct when they have missed out of the biggest housing boom in history and we still haven't seen anything remotely close to the crash they have been predicting. The only people in denial are the bubble heads.

6 posted on 12/19/2006 7:27:45 AM PST by Always Right
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To: Minn

Amen to that, brother!


7 posted on 12/19/2006 7:29:00 AM PST by Hoosier-Daddy (It's a fight to the death with Democrats.)
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To: finnman69

8 posted on 12/19/2006 7:29:10 AM PST by Vaquero ("An armed society is a polite society" Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: Always Right
http://immobilienblasen.blogspot.com/2006/12/hosuing-start-down-255-yoy-permits-down.html

U.S. building permits down 31.3% year-over-year
U.S. housing starts down 25.5% year-over-year
U.S. Nov. building permits fall to 9-year low.
U.S. Nov. building permits short of 1.55 mln expected
U.S. Nov. housing starts exceed 1.54 mln expected.
U.S. Nov. building permits fall 3% to 1.506 mln pace.
U.S. Nov. housing starts up 6.7% to 1.588 mln pace

Building permits are down 31.3% in the past year and are down 14.1% in the first 11 months of 2006 compared with the same period in 2005.

Regionally, starts rose 8.6% in the Northeast and rose 18.5% in the South. Starts fell 6.3% in the Midwest to the lowest level in 15 years. Starts fell 8.1% in the West to the lowest level in five years.

http://calculatedrisk.blogspot.com/2006/12/housing-starts-and-completions.html


Click on graph for larger image. The first graph shows Starts vs. Completions. Starts have fallen "off a cliff", but completions have just started to fall.


This graph shows starts, completions and residential construction employment. (starts are shifted 6 months into the future). Completions and residential construction employment are highly correlated, and Completions lag Starts by about 6 months. Based on historical correlations, it is reasonable to expect Completions and residential construction employment to follow Starts "off the cliff". This would indicate the loss of 400K to 600K residential construction employment jobs over the next 6 months.

9 posted on 12/19/2006 7:34:19 AM PST by finnman69 (cum puella incedit minore medio corpore sub quo manifestu s globus, inflammare animos)
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To: finnman69

Doomed. Doomed I say.


10 posted on 12/19/2006 7:37:31 AM PST by pissant
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To: finnman69

Depends. I live in one of the five fastest growing towns in MA. There is no slow-down here in housing with over 1,000 building permits pulled last year.


11 posted on 12/19/2006 7:39:53 AM PST by pabianice
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin
Tell me ALL about it. I could write for a solid hour about the denial I see in school children who think they can avoid homework, not study, remain ignorant and STILL demand the same pay and benefits that an educated person is going to earn.

I have several college-aged employees here in town and several in Argentina. I've found that the ones in Argentina, who speak English as a second language, are significantly more literate in English (and better spellers) than their counterparts here in the US.

I have no doubt that the US employees are very intelligent - however it's also very apparent that our educatational system has failed them miserably. As the person who makes compensation decisions, I can assure you that it's going to cost them dearly in terms of cold, hard cash.

12 posted on 12/19/2006 7:40:43 AM PST by The Duke (I have met the enemy, and he is named 'Apathy'!)
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" The bubbles are mainly coastal, "

Beware of the "isolated bubbles" fallacy -- it's the equivalent of saying something like, "Those leaks in the dam are over there; it looks just fine where I am."

When the dam bursts, the whole valley gets washed away....


13 posted on 12/19/2006 7:41:29 AM PST by Uncle Ike ("Tripping over the lines connecting all of the dots"... [FReeper Pinz-n-needlez])
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To: pabianice

How many were pulled the prior year?


14 posted on 12/19/2006 7:47:04 AM PST by finnman69 (cum puella incedit minore medio corpore sub quo manifestu s globus, inflammare animos)
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To: The Duke

"our educatational system"

Is that like Strategery?


15 posted on 12/19/2006 7:47:53 AM PST by finnman69 (cum puella incedit minore medio corpore sub quo manifestu s globus, inflammare animos)
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To: finnman69

Of course building has slowed down. What is the point? We were building at record pace, and have dropped down to more substainable levels close to the historical average. The price for newly built homes has actually gone up in the last year.


16 posted on 12/19/2006 7:48:33 AM PST by Always Right
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To: Vaquero

17 posted on 12/19/2006 7:48:40 AM PST by finnman69 (cum puella incedit minore medio corpore sub quo manifestu s globus, inflammare animos)
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but to me it's crystal clear that a serious economic slowdown is under way

Based on what? The author is either an idiot or a Democrat.

18 posted on 12/19/2006 7:49:49 AM PST by montag813
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To: ex-Texan; Petronski; Toddsterpatriot; Hydroshock; GodGunsGuts

Hey extexan, remember calling me a jerk & a liar for saying housing values in my area have not dropped? This map says exactly what i have claimed for my area, that house prices are not dropping.

Are you ready to apologize yet for calling me a jerk and a liar, because the facts are, you are just wrong.


19 posted on 12/19/2006 7:51:51 AM PST by Fierce Allegiance (SAY NO TO RUDY!)
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To: montag813

Pelosi's fault.


20 posted on 12/19/2006 7:54:38 AM PST by FlipWilson
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