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Brutally Honest (Apocalypto)
The Weekly Standard ^ | 12/15/06 | Sonny Bunch

Posted on 12/15/2006 7:04:47 AM PST by Valin

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To: NaughtiusMaximus

I thought it was "people who like this sort of thing will find that this is the sort of thing they like."


21 posted on 12/15/2006 8:11:31 AM PST by -YYZ-
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To: contemplator

I think I'm going to have to drag myself to the theater for this one.

From what I've read, women are going to it as well, it sounds like a good adult date movie.


22 posted on 12/15/2006 8:11:54 AM PST by ansel12 (America, love it ,or at least give up your home citizenship before accepting ours too.)
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To: contemplator

I thought it was good


23 posted on 12/15/2006 8:13:35 AM PST by woofie (For some people self hatred may be justified)
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To: Valin

This liberal multiculturism/policial correctness expressed by the academics in this article prove that what they teach in class is nothing but lies.


24 posted on 12/15/2006 8:20:19 AM PST by KC_Conspirator
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To: randita

Last year I bought myself "The Wild Bunch" (Sam Peckinpah) and by todays standards it's pretty tame. And NO, I would not recomend it to you, the last part is nothing but blood and gore.


25 posted on 12/15/2006 8:22:02 AM PST by Valin (History takes time. It is not an instant thing.)
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To: contemplator
"I want to see this movie."
Unfortunately, you'll also have to read this movie! I HATE movies with subtitles! If I wanna read, I'll stay home with a good book. So much has been invested in the cinematography, that it seems a shame to have to constantly detach yourself from the beauty of the film, to read the subtitles. I go to the movies to be immersed in the experience, and, to me, having to read subtitles because the dialog is gibberish, greatly detracts from the experience. Flame away!
26 posted on 12/15/2006 8:22:54 AM PST by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ("Don't touch that thing")
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To: contemplator

I liked it. I wouldn't call it a masterpiece but it is very good. A couple of lame scenes/plot lines kept it from reaching the next level for me. But definately worth seeing for the visuals and for the commentary on decadent societies.


27 posted on 12/15/2006 8:23:17 AM PST by Cyclopean Squid (Euphorion Falls)
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To: Dr. Bogus Pachysandra

Honestly, after a few minute I didn't even notice I was reading subtitles. That's the same for me with other good subtitled films, such as Amelie.


28 posted on 12/15/2006 8:26:23 AM PST by Cyclopean Squid (Euphorion Falls)
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To: Valin
MURDERER!

Guess I won't talk about the shrimp rolls. :-)

29 posted on 12/15/2006 8:27:50 AM PST by decimon
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To: 3AngelaD
"...this will make it harder for me to lie to my students about how horrible Westnern culture is and how sweet and innocent the pre-Colombian peoples were,..."

I do believe that is precisely why Mel made this movie.
30 posted on 12/15/2006 8:37:08 AM PST by ROLF of the HILL COUNTRY ( ISLAMA DELENDA EST!)
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To: Valin

I thought the Aztecs were encountered by the Spaniards, not the Mayans. I had been taught that the Mayans civilization had been mostly extinct and a newer, more violent version had taken over in the form of the Aztecs.


31 posted on 12/15/2006 9:08:08 AM PST by GOP_Party_Animal
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To: Valin

I really enjoyed this movie. The cinematography, acting, and story were great. As for people who don't want to face the truth about their past, get over it, we all have dark pasts that we aren't proud of.


32 posted on 12/15/2006 9:25:45 AM PST by Mazda3Fan
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To: Valin

My take on this great movie: It's "The Naked Runner" (Cornel Wild) and "Rambo First Blood" mixed, only better.


33 posted on 12/15/2006 9:37:25 AM PST by fish hawk (.)
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To: Valin
Good analysis, but there should be a spoiler warning as it gives away the first and second act plot points - which means it discloses what happens well into the second half of the story, even if it does not give away the ending entirely.

Christian viewers should be advised against taking any children. I heard Michael Medved's review and was expecting lots of violence which is not offensive to me, but I would not expose children to. However, he failed to mention the nudity - men, women and children. Though none is intended to be erotic, some did occur in a sexual context as well.

The family in front of me in the theater endure a lot of this before deciding to leave.

Overall it is a well told parable about the decline of a great civilization, but only for adult viewers.
34 posted on 12/15/2006 9:46:08 AM PST by unlearner (You will never come to know that which you do not know until you first know that you do not know it.)
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To: Diamond; Valin
Julia Guernsey, an assistant professor in the department of art and art history at the University of Texas told a reporter after viewing the film, "I hate it. I despise it. I think it's despicable. It's offensive to Maya people. It's offensive to those of us who try to teach cultural sensitivity and alternative world views that might not match our own 21st century Western ones but are nonetheless valid."

This is what drives me crazy about the prejudices of contemprary academia. On the one hand the science departments are run by naturalistic materialists who believe that the eighteenth century enlightenment was the greatest thing to ever happen in human history. On the other we have the humanities departments run by "third world" fundamentalists who believe that indigenous religion is beyond critique by European rationalist standards. Yet instead of attacking each other these forces "tag team" against chr*stianity.

It really is like pro rasslin', you know. The "heels" never feud with each other.

35 posted on 12/15/2006 9:55:35 AM PST by Zionist Conspirator (VeYa`aqov 'ahav 'et-Yosef mikkol-banayv ki-ven-zequnim hu' lo; ve`asah lo ketonet-passim.)
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To: wbill

It may not be regression. The squalor and poverty may be an improvement. Empire building on slavery and human sacrifice is not necessarily high culture.


36 posted on 12/15/2006 10:04:31 AM PST by 2ndClassCitizen
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To: Valin
"That being said, it is specious for professional historians and grievance groups alike to argue that Apocalypto is a wonton desecration of the memories of the Mayan people."

Main Entry: won·ton
Pronunciation: 'wän-"tän
Function: noun
Etymology: Chinese (Guangdong) wàhn-tAn
: filled pockets of noodle dough served boiled in soup or fried

37 posted on 12/15/2006 2:37:05 PM PST by ViLaLuz (2 Chronicles 7:14)
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To: Valin

I feel sorry for all the little girls who have been named "Maya" in the past several years. Isn't there some outraged group that can protest this movie on their behalf?

< / s a r c a s m >


38 posted on 12/15/2006 2:40:04 PM PST by Palladin ("Open a new window; open a new door; travel a new highway.")
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To: brazzaville
Isn't a Guernsey a cow?

yeah, but cows have more sense...

39 posted on 12/15/2006 2:49:38 PM PST by chilepepper (The map is not the territory -- Alfred Korzybski)
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To: wbill
It's not often that you see a culture regress.

I've just returned from Napoli, Itally. I'm afraid cultural regression is so uncommon. In the case of Napoli, I don't think it's recoverd from WWII.

40 posted on 12/15/2006 3:17:17 PM PST by Dead Dog
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