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FBI taps cell phone mic as eavesdropping tool
CNET News via ZDNet News ^ | December 1, 2006 | Declan McCullagh and Anne Broache

Posted on 12/03/2006 2:32:53 PM PST by ellery

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To: KillTime

Wrap the phone in lead foil when not in use.


21 posted on 12/03/2006 3:24:26 PM PST by Beagle8U (Charlie Rangel is teaching the "True Conservatives" a lesson......( there really is a difference))
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To: Jedi Master Pikachu
Review The Naked Society, Vance Packard, 1962 for the mid-term test.
22 posted on 12/03/2006 3:25:19 PM PST by RightWhale (RTRA DLQS GSCW)
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To: Nathan Zachary

"They can only determine your location within the radius of the cell tower, which could be anywhere within a 25 mile radius depending on how far apart towers are from each other in the area."

Older phones yes, new phones can be tracked with MUCH greater precision. Again, if you are innocent then you don't have to worry, right?


23 posted on 12/03/2006 3:28:23 PM PST by driftdiver
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To: Nathan Zachary
They can only determine your location within the radius of the cell tower,

That turns out to not be the case... It has been 4 years since I worked in telecom, but at the beginning of 2002, I know that location accuracy without GPS enables was close to 100 meters, and much closer, if you have a GPS enabled phone.

/johnny

24 posted on 12/03/2006 3:31:54 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (They want to die in jihad. I'm here to help, in whatever small way I can. Generally by cooking...)
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To: ellery

There used to be a freeper who posted under the handle of a John D MacDonald fiction hero. He wrote a book. It had something like this in it.

It was a good book, by the way.


25 posted on 12/03/2006 3:43:10 PM PST by Prodigal Son
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To: Rb ver. 2.0
they'd have arrested my ex wife for her Ham Rice-Puff casserole.

Just from the description, I'd say that's a felony worthy of life without parole.

26 posted on 12/03/2006 3:44:15 PM PST by Hardastarboard (Why isn't there an "NRA" for the rest of my rights?)
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To: JRandomFreeper
Well, you'd hope a gps enabled phone would be accurate closer that 100 yards, otherwize it would be a crappy gps.
But just cell phone signals, maybe 100 yards in cities, where there are towers every block or more, but not anywhere within miles in rural areas. You'd have to study the test data and see what the tower density was.

They'd also be able to track your direction if you were moving while talking and roaming from one tower to the next.
In any case, if "they" had to go to all that trouble to find you, then you probably deserve to be caught and tossed in jail anyways.

27 posted on 12/03/2006 3:46:49 PM PST by Nathan Zachary
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To: Hardastarboard

I just finnished eating ham for dinner, So I didn't want to ask just what a 'Ham rice-puff casserole' was.
Doesn't sound too good whatever it is. Maybe he's lucky he's an ex and she's not a widow instead.


28 posted on 12/03/2006 3:56:16 PM PST by Nathan Zachary
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To: Nathan Zachary
If you aren't doing anything wrong, you have nothing to worry about.

I imagine Big Borther justified the intrusive telescreens in 1984 in much the same way....

29 posted on 12/03/2006 4:02:50 PM PST by Androcles (All your typos are belong to us)
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To: ellery

What phones evade these creeps when they decide to use the technology against you for "hate speech" prosecution (like speaking against Hillary or a Muslim)?


30 posted on 12/03/2006 4:05:46 PM PST by montag813
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To: ellery
Some handsets can't be fully powered down without removing the battery

Jack Bauer taught us that early on

31 posted on 12/03/2006 4:06:49 PM PST by montag813
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To: Nathan Zachary
They'd also be able to track your direction if you were moving while talking and roaming from one tower to the next.

So that the telecoms can do a smooth hand-off to the next tower... That software was there from the beginning.

/johnny

32 posted on 12/03/2006 4:15:35 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (They want to die in jihad. I'm here to help, in whatever small way I can. Generally by cooking...)
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To: montag813

Get a very old phone, take out the battery when you rn't using it, and don't make that many phone calls.


33 posted on 12/03/2006 4:17:17 PM PST by ryan125
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To: Prodigal Son; Travis McGee
"Enemies, Foreign and Domestic", by Travis McGee?

Never heard of it.

34 posted on 12/03/2006 4:18:35 PM PST by patton (Sanctimony frequently reaps its own reward.)
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To: Jedi Master Pikachu

Overheard on my cell phone, FBI tap:

Sine_nomine (aka Natty the Nose): "I am almost home. Need anything from the store?"

Mrs. Sine_nomine (aka Bonneville Brunhilda): "No."


35 posted on 12/03/2006 4:19:07 PM PST by sine_nomine (Don't let another Bush lose another Iraq war.)
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To: ellery

One of the original info dump websites that was closed by the FBI maybe 6 years ago had posted the original software to do this with StarTac phones. This was probably 7 years ago now.

Faraday cages for cell phones are another option.

http://www.datenform.de/silvereng.html

http://www.rfid-weblog.com/50226711/building_a_faraday_cage_in_clothing_to_shield_rfid_tags.php

Also, some Israelis have a PDA out that detects all cell phone transmissions:
http://www.netline.co.il/Netline/CAAdetector.htm


36 posted on 12/03/2006 4:25:06 PM PST by JerseyHighlander
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To: Androcles
Not quite the same thing as having a big brother screen in your home. (and there are already camera's everywhere ) For all the legitimate 'invasion of privacy' complaints we hear about (none) compared to how much crime is committed using this technology, you can't really expect there not to be ways to track and find criminals using them. As always, the ones complaining the most are criminals and their lawyers.

But if you are worried that privacy is being lost, just don't use them. We had neither crime nor privacy issues before cell phones were brought onto the marketplace.

As far as police or some secret government organization wanting to see through the walls of your house or listen to you, they have been able to do that for decades.

37 posted on 12/03/2006 4:32:27 PM PST by Nathan Zachary
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To: Nathan Zachary

As always, the ones complaining the most are criminals and their lawyers.

"... There's no way to rule innocent men. The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren't enough criminals, one MAKES them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws. .....just pass the kind of laws that can neither be observed nor enforced nor objectively interpreted -- and you create a nation of law-breakers -- and then you cash in on guilt. Now that's the system, Mr. Reardon, that's the game, and once you understand it, you'll be much easier to deal with."  
- p.411, Ayn Rand, ATLAS SHRUGGED, Signet Books, NY, 1957

Think tax code. You know, the one that tripped up Al Capone. Course now days there's something much more useful, like conspiracy to pick-statute, any statute.

38 posted on 12/03/2006 4:49:08 PM PST by ancient_geezer (Don't reform it, Replace it.)
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To: ryan125
Get a very old phone, take out the battery when you rn't using it, and don't make that many phone calls.

...then any old Radio Shack scanner can be used to listen into your conversation.

39 posted on 12/03/2006 5:01:51 PM PST by disclaimer
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To: disclaimer

better have them listen then have them know where you are


40 posted on 12/03/2006 5:04:28 PM PST by ryan125
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