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Allawi apprehensive about new Iraq (a shockingly accurate prediction on Iraq's future)
Washington Post ^ | February 18, 2005 | David Ignatius

Posted on 11/27/2006 3:44:37 AM PST by jmc1969

Edited on 11/27/2006 5:58:34 AM PST by Jim Robinson. [history]

Ayad Allawi says he dreamed for years of two things -- toppling Saddam Hussein and establishing a democracy in Iraq. As an opposition leader and then interim prime minister, he helped achieve both goals. But as he prepares to leave office, Allawi worries that his country remains on the edge of a precipice.


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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: allawi; iraq; iraqelection; iraqielection; secular
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This interview was done two years ago when Allawi was leaving office. Its amazing looking back how much he understood exactly what mixing politics and Islam would do to Iraq. Allawi understood that Democracy is a process and needs to be slowly instituted or the religious leaders would simply tell the masses who to vote for and take over, and refuse to allow further elections, kill each other, and turn the country slowly into hell on Earth.
1 posted on 11/27/2006 3:44:40 AM PST by jmc1969
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2 posted on 11/27/2006 3:48:19 AM PST by jmc1969
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"......he believes that his country eventually might turn to him to put things back together."

I hope that happens.


3 posted on 11/27/2006 3:50:07 AM PST by windchime (I consider the left one of the fronts on the WOT.)
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To: windchime

I some way maybe it had it's benefit to have the religious nuts in charge of Iraq that early after the war. Their complete failure disaffected many Iraqis and might turn more of them to the nonsectarian parties alá Allawi.


4 posted on 11/27/2006 3:53:44 AM PST by SolidWood
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To: windchime

I personally believe the best thing for democracy in Iraq long term is a temporary hiatus to stabilize the country and to allow for the building of safe guards to prevent the joining of the mosque and state as we have in Iraq today. Iraq could also badly use a new more US like electoral system.


5 posted on 11/27/2006 3:57:56 AM PST by jmc1969
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To: jmc1969

They need to find some kind of way to get this guy back in the power position. I don't know how, but there has to be a way to get it done within the Iraqi constitution.


6 posted on 11/27/2006 3:58:48 AM PST by McGavin999 (Republicans take out our trash, Democrats re-elect theirs)
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Iraq could also badly use a new more US like electoral system.

Boy do I agree with that! The list system that the UN put in place is a total disaster. Direct representation of local people, known and trusted by the people, would be FAR better. Then if things don't work right, they can replace the guy who is the problem instead of going against their own group.

7 posted on 11/27/2006 4:01:21 AM PST by McGavin999 (Republicans take out our trash, Democrats re-elect theirs)
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To: SolidWood

SolidWood, the problem with that is that the US allowed the Iraqi government to control the Iraqi Electoral Process and it allowed them to count the votes by themselves. The IEC was nothing but a Sadr/Hakim controlled farce. The Iraqi people actually were mad at the UIA coming into the December 2005 election.

Because, the US was so afraid of being viewed as rigging the election, we put the election in the hands of people who would rig the election. And, in the second Iraqi election they did rig the vote big time. Omar at ITM covered this quite a bit at the time. There were villages in southern Iraq were Allawi went from 2000 votes to 200 votes. And, there were areas were the UIA pulled more votes then voters regestered.


8 posted on 11/27/2006 4:03:35 AM PST by jmc1969
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To: McGavin999

The elections also must watched closely and done differently, the December 2005 election from what I have seen had far far too much fraud in it.

The UN refused to oversee the election and the US was scared to be accused to influencing the election or it being seen as illegitimate.

Next time the UN and the US must oversee closely the election.


9 posted on 11/27/2006 4:06:43 AM PST by jmc1969
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To: McGavin999

The US can proform a parlimentary coup. Sadr's 30 members of Parliment are all death squad commanders with US and Iraqi blood on their hands.

Arrest them all and the government collapses in which case we place Allawi in charge (or have those left in parliment vote for an emergency government) an have Allawi reign until the situation is stabilized (and the militias are gone) so that new elections can be held.


10 posted on 11/27/2006 4:10:03 AM PST by jmc1969
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To: jmc1969

Muslims seem incapable of anything but mindless barbarian butchery.


11 posted on 11/27/2006 4:12:43 AM PST by tkathy (The choice is clear: White hat people or white flag people.)
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Personally, I think the US should do an ad blitz in Iraq and simply say that they have a choice. Either stand together as Iraqis - Shiite, Sunni and Kurd - and say no more to the killing and build a new country together with our help or we will leave and you can continue killing each other until the country is completely destroyed and your thirst for blood is satisfied. Your choice. You have 1 month to decide.


12 posted on 11/27/2006 4:15:19 AM PST by DB
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Not true, the problem is the muslim masses are controlled in no small part though the mosque, they aren't ready for democracy, especially PR list democracy, but that doesn't mean they are all mindless killers.


13 posted on 11/27/2006 4:15:47 AM PST by jmc1969
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Hmmm, I don't know how much good the UN will be, but I agree, it should be monitored by outsiders but who could you conceivably trust?


14 posted on 11/27/2006 4:25:04 AM PST by McGavin999 (Republicans take out our trash, Democrats re-elect theirs)
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To: DB

The Madhi Army is not going to stop killing neither are the Badr, the Iranians, or al-Qaeda.

We need a strong government in Baghdad willing to kill these people.

That is the only way peace can come to Iraq.


15 posted on 11/27/2006 4:25:39 AM PST by jmc1969
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To: McGavin999

We can figure that one out later. First things first, bringing down this government if Maliki doesn't act immediately and massively after meeting Bush in Jordan.


16 posted on 11/27/2006 4:26:59 AM PST by jmc1969
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To: jmc1969

If the Iraqis themselves won't stand together to stop the killing, no one else can and it isn't worth another American life. The Iraqis are going to have to grow up and make a choice.


17 posted on 11/27/2006 4:30:58 AM PST by DB
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I agree there. I think that's why Maliki is trying to circumvent by quickly putting a bandaid on things the last couple of days. I don't think it's going to be enough.

It's going to be interesting to see what happens as a result of Jordan.

18 posted on 11/27/2006 4:32:05 AM PST by McGavin999 (Republicans take out our trash, Democrats re-elect theirs)
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To: jmc1969

Here's your answer.

CNN Headline:

"Authorities lifted a three-day curfew in Iraq's capital and reopened the international airport today, clearing the way for President Jalal Talabani to make an official visit to Iran. Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad says Iran is "ready to help" calm Iraq's fighting."

The sheep goes to the wolf to make a deal on the slaughtering of the sheep. The wolf couldn't have dreamed of a better outcome.


19 posted on 11/27/2006 4:36:11 AM PST by DB
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DB, you don't really understand the situation has little to do with what the Iraqi people want, and please don't talk in generalities like the media would like you to do.

The Iraqi people by in large want to live in peace and quiet, but militias being funded by Iran, Syria, and elsewhere are causing mahem in the country. 98% of the Iraqi public hate al-Qaeda. That doesn't stop them from holding parts of Anbar and killing thousands in Iraq.


20 posted on 11/27/2006 4:37:15 AM PST by jmc1969
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