Election 2008: Tancredo, Gilchrist Or Dobbs?(smoking what, I don't know

The Post Chronicle ^ | November 18, 2006 | William H. Calhoun

[Dane]

Election 2008: Tancredo, Gilchrist Or Dobbs? By William H. Calhoun Nov 18, 2006

Will Tom Tancredo, Jim Gilchrist or Lou Dobbs run for president in 2008?

The GOP is in serious trouble. All conservatives I know are furious that the pro-amnesty Mel Martinez will be the new RNC Chair. A GOP county chair recently said to me, "If the GOP continues to move to the Left, conservatives will have no choice but to vote third party in 2008."

Historically the Republican Party has been a very liberal party, and only recently has it become more conservative. From the 1860s to the 1950s, for example, one could easily find more conservatives in the Democratic Party than in the Republican. Are the left-wingers at the helm (Bush, Rove, McCain, Mike "Amnesty" Pence) steering the GOP back to its liberal roots? It appears so.

One would think that the recent election would have set back the liberals (aka neolibearls, neocons, globalists, et al.) in the GOP. It was a referendum on Iraq, not immigration, and by far more pro-amnesty Republicans lost seats than did anti-amnesty Republicans. This election, in theory, should pave the way for conservatives, but the liberals still control the party.

Many liberal talking heads still represent the GOP in the media (Linda "Aztlan" Chavez, Bill Kristol, Fred Barnes), and they despise real conservatives. And now the appointment of the left-winger Mel Martinez as party chair is a complete slap in the face to patriots who love the United States.

For the past 6 years or more, the neocons have directed much Republican policy, and have transformed the party into one of neoliberal globalism (aka neoconservatism). Now, with liberals like McCain, Giuliani and Romney moving into prominence, this leftward momentum will continue.

The GOP is peddling liberal candidates (John McCain, Rudolph Giuliani, Mitt Romney, and Condoleezza Rice), and trying to silence potential conservatives (like Tancredo).

Despite what they may say to secure the nomination, McCain, Giuliani, and Rice are all pro-affirmative action, pro-choice, pro-homosexual, pro-interventionist foreign policy, pro-NAFTA superhighway, pro-North American Union, and support the third-world invasion of America.

Although Mitt Romney has tried recently to sell himself as a conservative, he has a very long track record of liberal causes. One can almost be certain that he is a liberal in disguise.

Some may say that Newt Gingrich is not a liberal per se, but he (unlike Reagan) certainly backs a neocon interventionist foreign policy, and would probably start another war. And although he recently has criticized the third-world invasion of America, only a few years ago he supported amnesty. Newt Gingrich is more neocon than conservative.

Furthermore, all the above support free trade, which is destroying the American economy. Historically and philosophically, conservatives have opposed free trade, and they should. It is national suicide. But many in the GOP, like those above, have been "neoconned" on this issue.

The only hope for conservatives in the GOP is that Tom Tancredo may run and secure the party nomination. He probably has the largest grassroots support of any candidate, which would put him at an initial advantage. Although liberals in the party like Mehlman and McCain have tried to silence him, Tancredo has grown into a national legend.

Although Tancredo backed Bush's neocon war in Iraq, it does not appear to be a major issue for him. On everything else, Tancredo is right. He is pro-life, pro-values, pro-small government, opposes the treasonous NAFTA superhighway, opposes the ultra-liberal and unconstitutional North American Union, and vehemently opposes the third-world invasion of America.

If Tancredo does not secure the nomination, and a liberal does (like McCain, Giuliani, Romney, Rice or Gingrich) then conservatives will have no choice but to leave the party. One can expect to see a mass Exodus from the GOP in 2008.

Jim Gilchrist, of the Minutemen, may seek the 2008 nomination for the Constitution Party, and would make a fine president. He also is probably the highest profile candidate the Constitution Party could run. Gilchrist is socially conservative, anti-North American Union, and wants to stop the third-world invasion of America. I know not a single conservative who would vote for a liberal like McCain over a conservative like Gilchrist.

Although only a rumor among bloggers, there is the hope that Lou Dobbs may seek the Reform Party nomination. Dobbs, a great patriot, is a life-long conservative, anti-North American Union, anti-free trade, and opposes the third-world invasion of America. Dobbs also is very popular nationally, potentially could sweep the general election, and would be an outstanding president. If Lou Dobbs runs, you should expect to see many defections not only from the GOP, but also from the Democratic Party.

At this point, the only hope for conservatives, and the American middle class, is Tancredo, Gilchrist or Dobbs. Let's pray that at least one of them - or someone who shares their values - is running for president in 2008.

William H. Calhoun is a conservative writer, and independent columnist

[Reagan Man]

My contention was that Cong Tancredo gets support from at least three out of four FReepers. I posted two polls that show such support. Tancredo versus Hillary, and support for HR4437, the House enforcement only bill. What more do you want?

The facts are quite clear. All one has to do is look at the low opinion most FReepers have of John McCain. If Freepers didn't overwhelmingly support Tancredo, they would let it be known. No doubt about it, and YOU know it too.

You're one of those tough nosed FReepers who understand what the score is. I don't sell you short.... we'll lost of the time. So don't play people for suckers.

IN other recent FR polls, Tancredo bested George Allen, and Newt bested Tancredo.

Maybe a Gingrich-Tancredo ticket in 2008 would work. Hey, that sounds pretty good. LOL

[mthom]

True. Most people here see him for what he is. A 100% ACU conservative. Some hate him for one issue.

[gidget7]

No problem! The word on him needs to get out, it doesn't matter by who or where. :)

[Brad’s Gramma]

LOL! Quasi marxist Gilchrist or nancy's newest friend, Lou Dobbs, are conservative, ROFLMAO.

Hi Dane! You goin' for McCain???

[Reaganwuzthebest]

Hi Dane! You goin' for McCain???

Dane's ultimate ticket:

McCain/Hagel, with Martinez head of ICE, and Chris Cannon chief of staff.

[Jack Black]

I won't forget those actions. I disagreed with them strongly. On the judges it did seem to greese the skids to get two excellent conservatives on the Supreme Court. Would it have happened some other way? Maybe. Maybe not.

McCain / Feingold is an unmittigated disaster in my opinion.

McCain is not my first choice, but I still don't think he's a "liberal" as is claimed here.

In a straight up election between Her Heinous The Wicked Lesbian Witch of the East (HHTWLWE) and McCain it would take me about 1 New York minute to pull the Elephant lever. No, I won't vote for a principaled 3rd party candidate. Best available who can win is my style.

YMMV.

[WhiteGuy]

LOL all you wish.

The major parties are going to have to find better candidates than the current batch of pointless partisans if they wish to really capture the passion of Americans.............

[nopardons]

FR polls usually get VERY few votes.

When it's Tom V. Hillary, what else do you expect the vote would be, here on FR? LOL

All of the FR polls, when Tancredo is put up against other GOPers, TANCREDO LOSES!

You're right to not sell me short; that's why you shouldn't play these silly games with me, of all people. :-)

And Newt has NO chance whatsoever! Neither has McQueeg. Newtie "could" make it out of the primaries...but lose.McLame simply can not make it through the primaries!

An '08 Gingrich/Tancredo ticket IS the absolute KISS OF DEATH for the GOP.

[nopardons]

You have blinders on and don't understand a word I have written...let alone the meanings of FR's most recent polls. Pity that.....

[Reagan Man]

>>>>FR polls usually get VERY few votes.

That's the nature of the beast. FR polls get enough votes to express the general mood of FReepers.

>>>>When it's Tom V. Hillary, what else do you expect the vote would be, here on FR? LOL

The reason for my posting it was to show that Dane was deadwrong.

>>>>All of the FR polls, when Tancredo is put up against other GOPers, TANCREDO LOSES!

Now you're sounding like Dane. Simply NOT true. I posted one poll where Tancredo came out on top. Here's another.

Free Republic Opinion Poll: If the 2008 Republican primary for president were held today and the following candidates were listed on your ballot, which one would you choose?

Composite Opinion
Tom Tancredo	26.5%		1,671
George Allen	18.9%		1,193
Newt Gingrich	17.7%		1,119
Rudy Giuliani	13.6%		856
Jeb Bush	9.3%		586
Sit it out	4.0%		252
Mitt Romney	3.7%		231
Mike Pence	2.9%		181
John McCain	2.8%		174
Bill Frist	0.9%		54
	100.3%		6,317
Member Opinion
Tom Tancredo	25.3%		692
George Allen	22.1%		604
Newt Gingrich	17.4%		476
Rudy Giuliani	12.1%		330
Jeb Bush	9.8%		269
Mike Pence	4.2%		116
Mitt Romney	3.3%		91
Sit it out	3.1%		84
John McCain	1.6%		43
Bill Frist	1.1%		29
	100.0%		2,734
Non-Member Opinion
Tom Tancredo	27.3%		979
Newt Gingrich	17.9%		643
George Allen	16.4%		589
Rudy Giuliani	14.7%		526
Jeb Bush	8.8%		317
Sit it out	4.7%		168
Mitt Romney	3.9%		140
John McCain	3.7%		131
Mike Pence	1.8%		65
Bill Frist	0.7%		25
	99.9%		3,583

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>>>>You're right to not sell me short; that's why you shouldn't play these silly games with me, of all people. :-)

Well, EXCUSE me your highness .... LOL .... but your so full of yourself, you've lost touch with us regular folk. ;^)

If Tancredo announced tomorrow, he was running for Prez in 2008, he would immediately have the BEST grass roots organization of any candidate. Gingrich-Tancredo might be somewhat of a long shot, buts its not out of the realm of possibility. It would be a rock solid conservative team.

A word to the wise. Don't sell McCain short. Romney either. A Giuliani at the top of the GOP ticket would be a certain KISS OF DEATH for the GOP.

[ViLaLuz]

"Satan vs. Hillary.

Who do you think will win?"

Are they not one in the same?

[justshutupandtakeit]

This guy is apparently looney as they get. Bush, Rove, McCain, Pence are "left-wingers"? bawhawhawhaw

Apparently he believes 1% of the country is conservative. If so, they can be as safely ignored as their Leftist equivalents, the Dummies, can be by the Democrat party.

However, most conservatives realize they must draw as much of the other 99% to their positions as possible and that is not possible with an Echo Chamber of "yeah, yeah, yeah" but can only come by convincing those who say "no,no,no" sometimes.

This idiot cannot even recognize friend from foe.

[Dog Gone]

I'm not sure where you getting these polls. Maybe my computer is broken.

Free Republic Opinion Poll: If the 2008 Republican primary for president were held today and the following candidates were listed on your ballot, which one would you choose?

Composite Opinion
Satan	55.5%		1,671
George Allen	18.9%		1,193
Newt Gingrich	17.7%		1,119
Rudy Giuliani	13.6%		856
Jeb Bush	9.3%		586
Sit it out	4.0%		252
Mitt Romney	3.7%		231
Mike Pence	2.9%		181
John McCain	2.8%		174
Bill Frist	0.9%		54
	100.3%		6,317
Member Opinion
Satan	25.3%		692
George Allen	22.1%		604
Newt Gingrich	17.4%		476
Rudy Giuliani	12.1%		330
Jeb Bush	9.8%		269
Mike Pence	4.2%		116
Mitt Romney	3.3%		91
Sit it out	3.1%		84
John McCain	1.6%		43
Bill Frist	1.1%		29
	100.0%		2,734
Non-Member Opinion
Satan	27.3%		979
Newt Gingrich	17.9%		643
George Allen	16.4%		589
Rudy Giuliani	14.7%		526
Jeb Bush	8.8%		317
Sit it out	4.7%		168
Mitt Romney	3.9%		140
John McCain	3.7%		131
Mike Pence	1.8%		65
Bill Frist	0.7%		25
	99.9%		3,583

[arnoldpalmerfan]

"Huh, then why did 25 members of his immigration caucus and voted for H.R> 4437 lost, of most notice the two candidates he actively campaigned for, Graf and Hayworth."

Dane you did post the above words in another thread. Are you claiming that twenty-five (25) members of Cong. Tancredo's caucus lost their bids for re-election?

[nopardons]

Old poll and you need to post the other ones, as well as this one.

The ONLY one here, who has lost sight of reality, is you!

Gingrich IS the one who is the KISS OF DEATH! And since Tancredo is a big fat NOBODY to most Americans, a Gingrich/Tancredo ticket would be not only NOT a "dream team" and a money maker, it would be a nightmare.

"Don't write McCain off"? ROTFLMSOPIMP

Wanna see someone who has lost complete touch with reality and the American populace? Go look into the nearest mirror! :-)

[Reagan Man]

>>>>Old poll and you need to post the other ones, as well as this one.

FR polls only have a two week lifespan. That makes all the FR poll questions old. What you don't like is the results of the polls I posted. LOL

>>>>The ONLY one here, who has lost sight of reality, is you!

I see fine. OTOH, you're blind as Ray Charles.

>>>>Gingrich IS the one who is the KISS OF DEATH! And since Tancredo is a big fat NOBODY to most Americans, a Gingrich/Tancredo ticket would be not only NOT a "dream team" and a money maker, it would be a nightmare.

The "Kiss of Death" moniker belongs to that old fashioned liberal from NYCity, Rudy Giuliani. You can deny it all you want, Tancredo has a real grass roots organization and his conservative credentials are first rate. How far that would carry him, should he decide to run for POTUS is anyones guess. Just because you see a Gingrich-Tancredo ticket as a nightmare, doesn't mean most Freepers would agree with you. The vast majority of conservatives and even a majority of FReepers would support that combo. At this early stage, hypothetically speaking of course.

>>>>"Don't write McCain off"? ROTFLMSOPIMP

Laugh all you want now. If he wins, we all maybe crying.

>>>>Wanna see someone who has lost complete touch with reality and the American populace? Go look into the nearest mirror! :-)

From what I've read on FR these days, you're the one out of touch with reality. If the early popularity polls are to be believed, McCain the mavarick and Giuliani the liberal are first tier candidates for the GOP nomination. Not my idea of the best the GOP has to offer. Followed by Romney and Gingrich. Long way to go. I suggest you keep your mind open and your dumb talk in check. ;^)

[nopardons]

FR polls can be pulled up for many months. But keep on lying, since that's all you appear to have on your side.

If you haven't voted on a FR poll, you can do so for a VERY long extended period. Facts really DO matter....learn some.

You "see" about as clearly as any liar does.

Gingrich really IS a KISS OF DEATH. He not only has personal moral baggage, but he also has baggage from his own cavings, Clinton kneepad wearing, third way, Toffler book pimping, and from what the MSM did to him. You can deny that all YOU want to, but facts are stubborn things and are rather difficult to erase.

Tancredo may have some grass roots following, but it most assuredly is NOT as strong as you assume it to be and not nearly good enough to get him elected president/help a ticket.

Go ahead, do a poll on a Ton & Newtie ticket against Romney and whoever. Most FREEPERS would NOT support it and frankly, the American populace would run screaming from it! Oh yes and the MSM would have such a field day with it, that the GOP would be sunk for the next 100 years.

[Reagan Man]

>>>>FR polls can be pulled up for many months. But keep on lying, since that's all you appear to have on your side. If you haven't voted on a FR poll, you can do so for a VERY long extended period. Facts really DO matter....learn some. You "see" about as clearly as any liar does.

Pulling up polls isn't the issue. Most Freepers know how the FR poll system works. You simply don't like the results of the polls I posted. And you don't like being told your wrong. Grow up and get over it. I haven't lied about anything. Everytime you find yourself in a tough spot, you call people liars. More of your dumb talk. Carry on.

As usual, you're getting yourself all worked and slipping into the gutter with your trashtalking. And all because I posted a hypothetical storyline. LOL

>>>>Go ahead, do a poll on a Ton & Newtie ticket against Romney and whoever. Most FREEPERS would NOT support it and frankly, the American populace would run screaming from it! Oh yes and the MSM would have such a field day with it, that the GOP would be sunk for the next 100 years.

You may go screaming into a straightjacket, but most conservatives would back Gingrich-Tancredo, as would most FReepers. Probably won't happen, so relax. The MSM always has a field day with conservative candidates. BFD. Conservatism offers a good political agenda for America and it can still win the day with the right candidates on the ticket.

A Gingrich-Tancredo ticket wouldn't sink the GOP for the next 100 years. That's fear talk. Besides, I'm more concerned about what Bush will do for the next two years. Dubya ignored his conservative base for the last six years and suffered the worst election defeat for a Republican President since Herbert Hoover in 1932! First time in 74 years, that a GOP Congress was voted out of office after holding power for a dozen years. What a pathetic waste.

[nopardons]

You appear to be the one who is having problems; not to mention getting overwrought over being called on posting lies. And my, how your story keeps on changing!

I suggest that you read the threads that have been posted lately, about a Gingrich run for president. They are NOT, as you incorrectly assume, filled to the brim with supporters. His naysayers know full well, his strengths and his weaknesses. They also are able to recognize his severe problems; some of them self inflicted. Newt was a GREAT backbencher and a mostly good idea man, though some of his "ideas" are not only dreadful, but also NOT conservative at all! Once in power, Gingrich proved, over and over again that he couldn't handle it.

Historically, NO Congressman has EVER become president from that position. A few Senators have, but in the 20th century, only two managed to pull it off.

Your loathsome and perpetual antipathy towards President Bush become your trademark and posting MO. It has now devolved into an abyss of delusional tirades against him and anyone who doesn't toe your exact line of thinking, 100% of the time. That is neither true debate, nor anything other than a waste of bandwidth.

Tancredo and Newt Gingrich will never share a ticket; let alone be elected as president and V.P. in any order. Face that reality and live with it. Childishly carrying on about a bizarre hypothetical, isn't helpful to you, nor is it productive.

[mthom]

"True."

This would indicate that I agreed with your post. Tancredo is not a serious presidential candidate. I went on to state the fact that he is a 100% ACU conservative and most people here see that an appreciate it. Again, some hate him for one issue.