Posted on 11/19/2006 3:33:25 PM PST by ruination
Yet another view for your consideration:
http://federalistblog.us/2005/12/birthright_citizenship_fable.html
I believe this Amendment needs to be amended to say that "all persons borne to a citizen of the United States..." meaning that at least one of the parents MUST be a citizen in order for citizenship to be automatic for the baby.
This is a ruling that doesn't even pass the smell test. How can taxpayers be expected to pay for the education of ILLEGAL occupants of our Country? Unless the law is taken before a CONSTITUTION-respecting USSC, rather than an agenda-driven Liberal court seeking to legislate from the bench, NO Constitutional provisions are safe from re-interpretation by the Liberals.
This crap has been occuring over and over again, and with the remarks of Chuckie Shumer, regariding "no conservative appointements will be allowed", it's obvious this will not only continue, but will grow....
If we can deport them or convict them of a crime that they commit, then they are subject to our jurisdiction. Ambassadors, consuls, diplomats, United Nations kakistocrats, and their families, employees, servants, and slaves fall outside our jurisdiction. Under international law, we cannot convict them of crimes that they do commit, such as illegal parking, enslavement, or even murder.
Instead of proposing a 700 mile fence, why doesn't one of our solons propose amending the Constitution to specifically say children of those here illegally do not get automatic citizenship or any rights associated with it?
Does citizenship mean anything anymore? Or is it just where you happen to drop your butt down?
I would hope that the Supreme Court would uphold this state law. If the Supreme Court wouldn't uphold it, I would hope that the state would defy the Supreme Court's unconstitutional decision.
Never happen!
Sorry, but just because liberals abuse the text of the Constitution to create rights that don't exist doesn't mean what conservatives can do the same. The text is clear -- if you're born here, you're a citizen. Anything else is sophistry.
If the parents cannot legally be called citizens of the US nor are legally following our laws, they are nor here within our jurisdiction.
If the Soviet Union launched a nuclear weapon and discharged it over one of our cities, was it here by or under our jurisdiction?
Jurisdiction, as it is mentioned at Dictionary.com, can be substituted with the word "authority" or "control".
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/jurisdiction
it does say that
"Senator Jacob Howard, co-author of the citizenship clause of the 14th Amendment, stated in 1866, "Every Person born within the limits of the United States, and subject to their jurisdiction, is by virtue of natural law and national law a citizen of the United States. This will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers accredited to the Government of the United States, but will include every other class of persons."
"The Fourteenth Amendment states,"(A) Persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States."
However a proviso limits foreigners who have babies in America. It couldn't be clearer, children of foreigners, aliens or diplomats, who are subject to the jurisdiction of their home country, are ineligible for citizenship.
At the time the Fourteenth Amendment was ratified we didn't have immigration laws. One hundred and thirty eight years later we are paying for the misinterpretation of it."
sw
About time!
the link on post three is a greatly condensed, easier to read of the prior one. The powers to be back then went as far as saying that a person born must have a FATHER that is a citizen. Not just a parent that is a citizen. This alone could be a good talking point since there is much information on the "fact" that a child finds their self identity through their fathers, and not their mothers. These great men prove to show that we have only gone downwards as a society.
Now THAT would be something! I believe the only place in Amerika right now that could defy the U.S. Supreme Court ruling without Federal action would be Kalifornia (which is basically a third world country, anyway).
A lot of our present environment began with the 14th Amendment and a lot of it is interpretation, not expressly stated. The birth thing is not the biggie although big enough to be noticeable.
since the US no longer has slavery....what good is this amendment??
oh yeah...it will help the lib/dems get more illegals to vote for them!!!!
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