Posted on 11/16/2006 9:54:57 AM PST by presidio9
Rose caught a fair amount of flak from some of the people he describes, who said they were unfairly characterized, but I tend to think he mostly got it right.
The good news is that his book is a few years old, and some of the worst stuff he describes has been cleaned up, AFAIK.
I'm quite sure that SSA has always existed. I'm also quite sure that a respectable occupation with lifetime security which relieved men from the "why aren't you married" question has ALWAYS been overpopulated by those burdened with SSA.
The difference, now, is that several generations of men with SSA have been conditioned to affirm the proposition, "This is who I AM", as opposed to "This is what I am tempted to DO".
Men who affirm the former proposition cannot function honestly as RC priests, but since a lot of them are in that line of work, enormous problems have been engendered.
My understanding of the CCC is that it still affirms the "this is what I am tempted to DO" analysis of SSA, but the USCCB bishops are constantly flirting with the "this is who (I) they ARE" model.
As long as there are significant numbers of bishops and priests who (secretly) affirm an heretical view of human sexuality, this problem cannot be resolved.
The "modern" view of SSA, in an ecclesial context, is actually an organized, major heresy. Like all the other Christian heresies, the belief in this key "knowledge" looms larger and larger in the minds of its proponents until it becomes central to their being.
And, like all the other major Christian heresies, it is going to have to be extirpated from the Body of Christ before the Body can return to health.
Celibacy means NO SEX AT ALL.
Those who are paracticing homosexuals are not celibate.
Why is that so difficult to understand?
Someone I believe asked for a reasoned argument.
That is the most childish circular reasoning I have heard in a long time.
Eliminate celibacy, not devise a way to keep out the criminally inclined...
Brilliant!
Reminds me of the educational establishment: if not enough students become competent under their care, redefine "competency" down!
Can we say "Keep the fags out" on FR or not?
Exactly. Pretty simple really, stop letting poofs become priests.
Hey, no fair, you can't get the right answer on the first post!
The church however has had over 1,000 years of this "problem".
Yep, thats it. Great book. Should be required reading.
Reason: Homosexuality.
Ya know ... those Village People songs, "In the Navy", "YMCA" and the like. They shoulda had one that was "In the Seminary".
I see your thinking, but might we be confusing cause and effect?
this is missing the boat, and the entire fleet.....
homosexual men and pedophiles in general seek out cultures where they will be near their prey....
that's why you find them in schools, boys' clubs, boy scouts, youth groups, etc...
they seek the normalcy and socially acceptance that goes along with such groups....
religon, community service,teaching....all "good" and therefore above reproach....
once they're "in" they can take advantage of the situation...
You spelled "HOMOSEXUALITY" wrong.
BTW, I once met Ted Sturgeon. He lived in an old house in the hills behind Dodger Stadium.
Translation: the closted homosexuals of the US Catholic church are trying to BUY a study which says homosexuals who attack boys are not performing a homosexual attack.
Um........... I guess ordinance of priests who may marry at some point is out of order here?
A family life could perhaps be more important to a young man - even a religiously devoted young man - than living a life of abstinence. The thought of family life, a loving wife and an adoring group of children may attract those who practice normalcy in life and in sexual matters.
I believe abstinence may offer isolation and safety those who are impaired regarding normal family life - a teaching they are expected to impress among congregants - when they themselves are denied it.
Ya think?
Please submit invoice.
E-X-A-C-T-L-Y!... The "old switcheroo!"
Don't forget that we are all too STUPID to see thought their moves.... :)
What a dumb question! Of course you cannot say, "Keep fags out" on this site. That is hate speech of the very worst sort.
In fact, I dare say "Keep the Fags out," reveals a deep-seated homophobic gender binary fixation.
If you say "Keep the Fags out," one or two more times, that's it for you, homophobe. I am going to the Moderator.
"Keep the Fags out," indeed.
You are looking at the negative side of celibacy. The positive side is what the Lord often calls for, which is to drop the plow, drop the fishing, and following him.
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