Posted on 11/16/2006 9:54:57 AM PST by presidio9
Bottom line is that if the Church would allow priests to have physical relationships with women, the priesthood wouldn't have the reputation it enjoys today.
Maybe Pastor Teg Haggard should have been a married Catholic priest. Yeah, that's it.
That's a great place to get one. But you've left the church, right? I mean, you've self-identified as an atheist, right?
I apologize if I have you confused with someone else.
Read Michael Rose's book. The "pool of candidates" is not small, it's really rather large. The problem is that too many of the normal ones were chased away for being nasty things like "heterosexual," "manly," and "Catholic".
And the priesthood is hardly "filled" with men with abnormal sexual habits, though there are some.
Perhaps, if priest were allowed to have a wife or girlfriend they wouldn't have such a 'problem'
Christian men aren't permitted to have sex with their girlfriends, either, last time I checked.
I camped overnight on the Washington Monument grounds to see Pope John II...and hadn't attended Mass in years.
I claim to be an agostic because I have a hard time believing in heaven or an afterlife...but as I get closer to my end, I have doubts about my belief system.
A sound instinct, in this case.
I don't know what ministers or priests you have known, but I've known two or three Protestant clerics, and believe me it wasn't just a job to them.
EVIL! of Homosexual acts and Pedophilia
It was Dr. Carol Shakeshaft of Hofstra University who got the goods on how many public school children that have been sexually abused by teachers. You can find out a lot about it by googling "Carol Shakeshaft" --- I found this: "What is more frightening is that these sexual abuse cases are relatively small in number and scope, when compared to the hundreds of thousands of children in the United States, who have been or are being sexually abused by professional educators over a similar time period. A study conducted for the Department of Education, Educator Sexual Misconduct, found that about 10% of all school children will be the target of some sort of physical sexual misconduct by a teacher during their K-12 grade education.
"Carol Shakeshaft, who authored the study, points out that the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops found that about 10,667 children had been victimized by priests between 1950 and 2002. Based upon numerous studies which she has worked with, Shakeshaft extrapolated the number of school children suffering abuse by professional educators to about ten times that of the clergy!
And THIS
"One study of 225 cases of admitted sexual abuse in New York found that none of the cases had been reported to police and only 1 person lost their teaching license..."
And lots more...
How do you know the man hearing confession isn't 'buggering boys now or in the past?'
Well- I ASK him before going into the confessional, or even attending their mass!
Needless to say, they don't appreciate it.
Too damned bad if they're 'insulted'. If they're homosexual, they are not legitimate priests. Any priest who gets defensive, instead of understanding, I consider an imposter.
I think I have a right to ask if the holy rites he would perfom would be as null and void as his vows.
And it's not just about 'buggering boys'.
I don't want priests buggering grown men, or each other either!
If homosexuality is removed from the picture, the pedophilia issue AND the celibacy issue is-for the most part- solved.
This has culled the pool of candidates and as a result, many men who fill this void have 'issues'.
Yet these sicktwisted personalities are frequently "kid-magnets," "Pied Pipers," experts at patiently gaining the trust of vulnerable boys and charming the socks off of parents. Thus their employers (churches of MANY denominations, youth groups, etc.) tried the psychological treatment route in the 60's and 70's because they really thought that (1) therapy could help them, and (b) the criminal prosecution route might re-traumatize their victims, who (they thought) should be offered counseling as well.
It was a disastrously bad policy, but very much in line with the "therapeutic society" movement which was very strong 30-40 years ago.
Why was the Catholic Church targeted for the lion's share of the legal and media prosecution in all this ugliess? Three reasons:
Ya think??
See #291. Thank you.
IMO, that's shameful.
>>>Well- I ASK him before going into the confessional, or even attending their mass!
Needless to say, they don't appreciate it.<<<
WHOA! That is the tough love method. Maybe if we all started asking these questions, some changes would be made!
They should take Origenus as THE example to emulate. To better fight the temptation of the flesh, this early Church father castrated himself. As fas as it is known, no abuse complaints were lodged againt him afterwards.
I know a shrink who's instructor resigned from the American Psychiatric Association after their 1974 San Fran convention when the gays were protesting outside.
He wrote the psychiatrsts who voted for this had a homosexual panic and the next thing they would say was schizophrenia was an alternate thought disorder.
The position I stated in my post was the accepted reason for homosexuality until that political vote in 1974.
Now any psychiatrist who dares to treat homosexuality is treated as a loony by the media, the reason why there's a fairly large failure rate with the Jesus cure is that these psychological issues that lead to the homosexuality is not addressed.
My friend is producing a documentary called Sexually Dangerous about sex offenders/pedophiles, it's on Showtime's website as an upcoming attraction, etc.
Homosexuality is an abnormal behavior, just like many other abnormal behaviors, we all have something, the mangling of this issue is spitting in the face of reality/psychiatry/science, etc.
ROFL!... You know, it may seem harsh... but we start pushing back this Politically Correctness BS. Let's call it WHAT IT IS.
FAGS misunderstand sensitivity, sympathy, politeness for weakness. THEY, on the other hand come at you ready to finish you. They only care about one thing... Themselves.
And I am sick and tired of this :)
Actually, the cause in a word ... SODOMITES.
Secondary cause is many of these sodomites have been promoted to Bishop and Cardinal offering protection and continuance of this problem.
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