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To: Vicomte13
Republicans are not losing seats tonight because REPUBLICANS turned on their own. They are losing because INDEPENDENTS are sick of the party.

So how does that jive with the need for us to be more conservative? Most of the Indes I know are really pretty liberal. Actually lean Dem most of the time.

3,250 posted on 11/07/2006 7:49:47 PM PST by Hattie
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To: Hattie
They are losing because INDEPENDENTS are sick of the party.

Mock moderates at your peril, GOP.

3,274 posted on 11/07/2006 7:50:43 PM PST by Wormwood (Everybody lies, but it doesn't matter because nobody listens.)
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To: Hattie

This just in.....

Cardin
224,899 49%
Steele
225,146 49%
Zeese
7,384 2%


34% precincts reporting - Updated: 10:46 p.m. ET


3,288 posted on 11/07/2006 7:51:23 PM PST by csistrueblue (I'm glad I homeschool Ping!)
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To: Hattie

Support minimum wage, enforce illegal immigration laws, review trade treaties that outsource US jobs, and review policies that expand H-1B workers and you will see a shift in the independents for the GOP. Many GOP forget that globalism brings change in the US also, someone will lose their jobs while others make money from it. Many of the Reagan Democrats are the ones in the manufacturing sector, textiles, IT workers, service sector and etc who do not see a government that measures their needs against the benefits of open trade. After 12 years of patience with the GOP Congress, it finally runs out. GOP lost a number of conservative rural/textile districts in the South that normally should not be losses as well as suburban districts where high tech workers live in.


3,414 posted on 11/07/2006 7:56:45 PM PST by Fee
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To: Hattie

Yep many Independents are socially liberal. Independents by definition like to think they are above this partisan crap. So when Republicans are made to look like goofballs by whatever means then they are less inclined to go to the trouble to vote for them. The ones that do vote in this election probably leaned left anyway. So I agree with your assessment.


3,501 posted on 11/07/2006 7:59:40 PM PST by plain talk
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To: All

Nancy Pelosi as Leader?

Even the Rats will come regret this.

Jhihad Nazi boys are sharpening their knive now.

We need a thread for betting what ctiy gets vaporized first.


3,870 posted on 11/07/2006 8:13:45 PM PST by PA-RIVER
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To: Hattie

"So how does that jive with the need for us to be more conservative? Most of the Indes I know are really pretty liberal. Actually lean Dem most of the time."

Here is how: we have to be more FISCALLY conservative. Most Independents do NOT like taxes and do NOT like debt and waste.

We aren't going to be able to keep our base by being more socially moderate (although Independents would love it if we were, because they are markedly libertarian), so this will always be the Democrats' advantage.

Mostly, we have GOT to devise a strategy to WIN the war in Iraq, in the nearer term. President Bush said "Stay the Course". The country said "NO!" tonight. They don't like the course. So now it's up to the military establishment and the White House to develop a strategy to move things faster. There's an obvious one, but they don't want to do it.


4,576 posted on 11/07/2006 8:44:46 PM PST by Vicomte13 (Aure entuluva.)
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