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David Frum's Diary : Hypocrites ? A Moral Look at Ted Haggard's case.
National Review ^ | 11/03/2006 | David Frum

Posted on 11/06/2006 10:04:14 AM PST by SirLinksalot

Nov. 03, 2006: Hypocrites?

A sensational but to-date unsubstantiated allegation has been hurled at a major American religious figure. On much of the left, the reaction is gleeful delight: See! He is no better than anybody else!

In my mind, however, this story highlights a widespread moral assumption that I have never been able to understand.

Consider the hypothetical case of two men. Both are inclined toward homosexuality. Both from time to time hire the services of male prostitutes. Both have occasionally succumbed to drug abuse.

One of them marries, raises a family, preaches Christian principles, and tries generally to encourage people to lead stable lives.

The other publicly reveals his homosexuality, vilifies traditional moral principles, and urges the legalization of drugs and prostitution.

Which man is leading the more moral life? It seems to me that the answer is the first one. Instead of suggesting that his bad acts overwhelm his good ones, could it not be said that the good influence of his preaching at least mitigates the bad effect of his misconduct? Instead of regarding hypocrisy as the ultimate sin, could it not be regarded as a kind of virtue - or at least as a mitigation of his offense?

After all, the first man may well see his family and church life as his "real" life; and regard his other life as an occasional uncontrollable deviation, sin, and error, which he condemns in his judgment and for which he sincerely seeks to atone by his prayer, preaching, and Christian works.

Yet it is the first man who will if exposed be held up to the execration of the media, while the second can become a noted public character - and can even hope to get away with presenting himself as an exemplar of ethics and morality.

How does this make moral sense?

Let me put it another way:

In every other avenue of life, we praise people who rise above selfish personal wishes to champion higher principles and the public good. We admire the white southerners who in the days of segregation spoke out for racial equality. We admire the leader of a distressed industry who refuses to ask for trade protections and government handouts. We admire the Arthur Vandenbergs and (someday) the Joe Liebermans who can reach past party feeling to support a president of the opposing party for the sake of the national interest.

If a religious leader has a personal inclination toward homosexuality - and nonetheless can look past his own inclination to defend the institution of marriage and to affirm its benefits for the raising of children - why should he likewise not be honored for his intellectual firmness and moral integrity?

"I count him braver who overcomes his desires than him who conquers his enemies; for the hardest victory is over self."


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: frum; haggard; homosexualagenda; hypocrisy; moralabsolutes
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1 posted on 11/06/2006 10:04:17 AM PST by SirLinksalot
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To: SirLinksalot

Personally, I think we should all gaze into the darkest corners of our souls, examine what dwells there, and then embrace it, make it a cornerstone of our daily lives, and justify it despite any harm that it may do to ourselves and others.

 

Owl_Eagle

If what I just wrote made you sad or angry,
it was probably just a joke.


2 posted on 11/06/2006 10:08:46 AM PST by End Times Sentinel (In Memory of my Dear Friend Henry Lee II)
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To: SirLinksalot

Haggard beame remorseful ONCE CAUGHT.

Televangelical cults of personality are SO obviously full of these actors and actresses.

Gated estates, TV lights and makeup, books, blah, blah, blah.


3 posted on 11/06/2006 10:10:41 AM PST by truth_seeker
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To: SirLinksalot

Mr. Haggard is not a hypocrite.

A hypocrite is one who states or maintains that he does not do something when, in fact, he is doing that very thing.

No one has yet caught him in such a lie. He upholds everything good before God as he teaches others, despite having temptations elsewhere. Even if he succumbs to that temptation, he is not yet a hypocrite, but just a sinner. He becomes a hypocrite when he states he doesn't do that sin.

People have got to get their heads screwed on straight here. If having sin in one's life was the deciding factor on who could speak the Truth of God's Word, then NO ONE could EVER speak a Truth of God.


4 posted on 11/06/2006 10:10:44 AM PST by ConservativeMind
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To: SirLinksalot

There is a lot of wisdom in this.

But....that said, Scripture makes it clear that teachers are held to higher standards for what they teach and that elders must be above reproach.

If this were about a lay leader of small Bible studies, ie, something like alcoholics anonymous, where everyone is struggling together....then I think I would agree with the sentiments here 100%. But if you are talking about a mega leader like Haggard, or a senior pastor/elder, then I think that a higher standard is warranted Biblically.

In any event, this whole episode makes me sick.

I hope the marriage amendment passes in Colorado.


5 posted on 11/06/2006 10:11:46 AM PST by ConservativeDude
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To: SirLinksalot

Well there you go, some guy I have never heard of in CO maybe or maybe not had a homosexual affair. Guess I had better run out and vote for the Dems. (/sarcasam)


6 posted on 11/06/2006 10:13:46 AM PST by DaiHuy (I have never seen a situation so dismal that a policeman couldn't make it worse)
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To: truth_seeker

Of course! All sins are found that way, but few admit it and repent of it.

Even if the news wasn't the reason for his final confrontation with sin, I would have hoped it would have been God. But even then some one like you would be there to point a finger saying the same stupid stuff.

Tell me a sin you've felt remorse for that didn't come from a public or private confrontation over it, either with a person or solely with God.

Even if it was with God, we are supposed to repent to the one(s) we hurt.

This man even supported the person who revealed his sin.

His example is a good one for all Christians to follow.

Well, that is, those who may still sin. Some apparently have been able to stop such human failings, right?


7 posted on 11/06/2006 10:15:58 AM PST by ConservativeMind
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To: SirLinksalot

Hypocrisy isn't the evil it's cracked up to be.


8 posted on 11/06/2006 10:16:30 AM PST by carola
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To: SirLinksalot
On much of the left, the reaction is gleeful delight

I've noticed this. What they don't get is that being gleeful at someone else's fall is just as much a sin as that committed by the fallen one.

They also don't get that Christianity is all about the fact that humans are sinful and need a Savior. Of COURSE people are going to fall down. But if they have Jesus as their Savior, they have Someone to catch them.

9 posted on 11/06/2006 10:18:16 AM PST by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: ConservativeMind

Ditto. And, if the lifestyle is so 'natural', why do so many tempted into it hate it, attack it and support its banishment? Maybe in hope of ridding themselves of it by ridding the world of it? Who knows the hurt of the sin more than the sinner?


10 posted on 11/06/2006 10:18:47 AM PST by polymuser (There is one war and one enemy.)
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To: SirLinksalot

I actually was thinking along these same lines... At least he paid for his trysts, not preying on the young that he obviously had access to.
Men are weird.
Sarah


11 posted on 11/06/2006 10:21:04 AM PST by Sarah
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To: ConservativeMind
He upholds everything good before God as he teaches others, despite having temptations elsewhere.

I have read where he admits to buying the drugs, but then throwing them away. The article also indicated that he admitted getting massages from a male prostitute, but didn't actually have sex with him.

If that article was correct and he did admit to doing those things, then he was being a hypocrite while he preached against doing such things.

But those of us in Christ have our Savior to catch us when we fall.

12 posted on 11/06/2006 10:21:45 AM PST by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: SirLinksalot
[ David Frum's Diary : Hypocrites ? A Moral Look at Ted Haggard's case. ]

VS...

Haggard's Diary : Hypocrites ? A Moral Look at David Frum's case.

Note; thats pretty much a push... NEXT?..

13 posted on 11/06/2006 10:24:49 AM PST by hosepipe (CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperbole.)
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To: ConservativeMind
Mr. Haggard is not a hypocrite. A hypocrite is one who states or maintains that he does not do something when, in fact, he is doing that very thing. No one has yet caught him in such a lie. He upholds everything good before God as he teaches others, despite having temptations elsewhere. Even if he succumbs to that temptation, he is not yet a hypocrite, but just a sinner. He becomes a hypocrite when he states he doesn't do that sin. People have got to get their heads screwed on straight here. If having sin in one's life was the deciding factor on who could speak the Truth of God's Word, then NO ONE could EVER speak a Truth of God.

From the dictionary, "Main Entry: hyp·o·crite Pronunciation: 'hi-p&-"krit Function: noun Etymology: Middle English ypocrite, from Anglo-French, from Late Latin hypocrita, from Greek hypokritEs actor, hypocrite, from hypokrinesthai 1 : a person who puts on a false appearance of virtue or religion 2 : a person who acts in contradiction to his or her stated beliefs or feelings - hypocrite adjective

I think we can safely say that Mr. Haggard is a hypocrite.

14 posted on 11/06/2006 10:27:04 AM PST by Chena ("I'm not young enough to know everything." (Oscar Wilde))
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To: MEGoody
I don't know if he has specifically had sex with that guy. For what we know, perhaps the gay guy touched him down there and he didn't stop it. Not right in any context, but not sex, either. Regardless, it is a form of sexual immorality.

From his letter:

I asked that this note be read to you this morning so I could clarify my heart's condition to you. The last four days have been so difficult for me, my family and all of you, and I have further confused the situation with some of the things I've said during interviews with reporters who would catch me coming or going from my home. But I alone am responsible for the confusion caused by my inconsistent statements. The fact is, I am guilty of sexual immorality, and I take responsibility for the entire problem.

I am a deceiver and a liar. There is a part of my life that is so repulsive and dark that I've been warring against it all of my adult life.

For extended periods of time, I would enjoy victory and rejoice in freedom. Then, from time to time, the dirt that I thought was gone would resurface, and I would find myself thinking thoughts and experiencing desires that were contrary to everything I believe and teach.


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15 posted on 11/06/2006 10:28:54 AM PST by ConservativeMind
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Where there is no forgiveness, there is no hope and no incentive to repent.

It's true that Ted Haggard lacked the courage to confess his sin and step down on his own. But when God used Mike Jones to give Ted Haggard a nudge in the right direction, he drank the bitter cup and did the right thing. I believe that in time, Ted Haggard will come out of this a far stronger Christian and a powerful witness to the glory of God. I also believe his family will stand by him.

Who among us is immune to temptation?

Who among us is called to condemn where God forgives?

16 posted on 11/06/2006 10:29:32 AM PST by Bonaparte
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To: SirLinksalot

I feel sorry for his wife, and their kids. She looked so miserable in the photo in Saturday's paper.


17 posted on 11/06/2006 10:30:22 AM PST by colorado tanker
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To: SirLinksalot
On much of the left, the reaction is gleeful delight: See! He is no better than anybody else!

No he's not and he never said he was. Every Christian knows that we all fall far short of the Glory of God and we're never 'good enough'. I hope that Haggard's congregation remembers the Saviours admonision to the woman caught in adultery... 'Your sins are forgiven, go and sin no more'.

18 posted on 11/06/2006 10:32:37 AM PST by pgkdan
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Not at all.

I don't think a leader necessarily "puts on an appearance of virtue" by stating what God wants of us. However, if he says he doesn't do those sins he says are wrong and actually does them, that is different.

Ever church leader can be said to be "putting on an appearance of virtue" simply because they've been put there by fellow Christians. None of those leaders, looking all nice in their suits and maintaining those better ways publicly, is sin-free. Does this make them all hypocrites? Not at all. But they look so "clean" there and are always talking about what God wants of us. THOSE DECEIVERS!! (Right?)

One is not lying when they say the Truth of God. All people, even active sinners, can do that without being hypocrites.

They just can't say those sins of which they speak are ones they don't have when, in fact, they are.
19 posted on 11/06/2006 10:34:23 AM PST by ConservativeMind
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To: truth_seeker
Haggard beame remorseful ONCE CAUGHT.

I sincerely doubt that. He has probably been ashamed and remorseful for years. Haven't you ever done anything that you're ashamed of that you hope nobody ever hears about?

20 posted on 11/06/2006 10:34:31 AM PST by pgkdan
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