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Oaxacans Opposed to APPO Leftists March in Support of Sunday's Federal Police Intervention (Trans.)
El Universal ( Mexico City ) ^ | October 31, 2006 | Alejandro Torres, David Aponte & Jorge Octavio Ochoa ( translated by self )

Posted on 10/31/2006 11:32:58 AM PST by StJacques

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It's interesting to note that the media ("even" FOX) has reported the events a day or more late - so that the police movement and confrontations seem to be taking place now, when the locals are finally coming out of their holes for fresh air. FOX, for one, also makes it seem that there was more violence than reports seem to bear out.

Did I miss something?

21 posted on 10/31/2006 8:00:30 PM PST by norton
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Saint -- You're simply fantastic, ALL over this.

I say to you again, as a friend and fellow FReeper, you've simply got to get on as a correspondent or content provider. You're missing out good money, m'friend!

Saludos sempre, mi amigo,
SAJ

22 posted on 10/31/2006 8:37:49 PM PST by SAJ (debunking myths about markets and prices on FR since 2001)
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". . . FOX, for one, also makes it seem that there was more violence than reports seem to bear out.

Did I miss something?
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I do not think you have "missed" anything, in fact, given that you are paying such close attention to the casualty count, you are probably right on top of what's going down. And you might note that in post #8 above rovenstinez says that his friends who are just arriving in Mexico City from Oaxaca say there were more deaths than reported. There is a lot of confusion and I may be able to post something which can put the sources of the differing reports in perspective.

I uncovered new information just this evening from the Mark in Mexico Blog site in which he is critical of the reported casualty counts, though he doesn't argue for a much higher one than we are hearing. This was only posted today, so it's very new. I'll paste in a quote of the excerpt (please note: images from blogspot.com servers often disappear on page refreshes, if you cannot see the image below go to the "pings" link and reload the page from the link there)

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First came Secretary of the Interior Abascal to declare that the federales' incursion into Oaxaca was accomplished "a saldo blanco" -- with a clean slate --meaning that no one was killed during the operation. Then, President Vicente Fox declared yesterday that "there has been no loss of life" in the contretemps throughout the city.

I, and everyone else who was paying any attention, knew that there were at least 3 deaths involved within the first few hours of the federales entering the city. Before the operation even got started, a federale (PFP) officer was killed and 14 more injured when a transport carrying them to the city overturned and plunged down an embankment. Then, APPO announced that 2 persons had been killed by gunshots from the PFP. I didn't believe that story for two reasons; first, you can't believe anything APPO says and, second, the vast majority of the PFP officers are not armed with anything other than a baton, helmet and shield.

The PFP itself, on Sunday afternoon, announced that they had one body and that man had been killed when a nail-laden rocket he was attempting to fire exploded in his face. The other person killed was identified as Fidel García. He was reportedly shot in an alley near the big confrontation at the Tech University by a gang of masked men. It is impossible to determine who those men were. No body has been produced but it is pretty well accepted that there is at least one more fatal casualty. The generally-favorable-to-the-government local daily El Imparcial is reporting this as fact and I would tend to believe it.

The autopsy -- and I don't know who performed it -- of Jorge Alberto López, a male nurse from Etla, confirmed that he was indeed killed by a tear gas cannister. If you take a look at his body, there is no evidence, at least that I can see, of burns that would indicate something exploded in his hands and face. Nor is there any evidence of shrapnel wounds from "a nail laden rocket".




President Fox says "no fatalities during the operation"



Indymedia is claiming 11 dead, but you can't believe anything they say, either. Show me the bodies. Indymedia also has a photo of shell casings which they would like you to believe is evidence of the use of firearms against APPO. At least one of these cartridges looks like it was fired several years ago, possibly in Viet Nam.




Incontrovertible proof that APPO used firearms against federal police.
There, now. Two can play this game.


In any event, whoever advised President Fox that he could claim that there were no fatalities during Sunday's operation should be seeking new employment.
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I view Mark's take as genuine. He's the one guy I trust in all of this.
23 posted on 10/31/2006 9:27:02 PM PST by StJacques (Liberty is always unfinished business)
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Kind words SAJ, thanks a bunch!


24 posted on 10/31/2006 9:29:01 PM PST by StJacques (Liberty is always unfinished business)
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That looks like a ruptured 5.56 casing in the photo above. If someone had put the wrong round into the wrong rifle, or had messed up the headspacing on the rifle, there could have been slapback, or if not slapback, a complete failure in the rifle's receiver (exploding like a grenade) and the shooter could very well have ended up looking like the corpse in the photo above.

Quoting “Mark in Mexico”; “If you take a look at his body, there is no evidence, at least that I can see, of burns that would indicate something exploded in his hands and face. Nor is there any evidence of shrapnel wounds from "a nail laden rocket".”

Something very well may have exploded. A rifle that the dead man was trying to fire.


25 posted on 10/31/2006 11:40:32 PM PST by happinesswithoutpeace (You are receiving this broadcast as a dream)
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