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To: WhiteGuy
Social conservatives want to control people's personal lives a lot more than any libertarian could stand.

Not entirely sure about that. Certainly there are social conservatives who won't be happy until every last American tithes and goes to church on Sunday, but most simply want to be able to practice their beliefs in peace without having liberal indoctrination thrust upon them and their loved ones.

Libertarians and Social Conservatives share the following beliefs:

You should be able to buy and sell to/from anyone. And if that means restricting what you sell to whom, or who you buy from, it's none of government's business.

Social conservatives and libertarians agree that people should be responsible for the consequences of their actions, and not be bailed out by taxpayers.

While social conservatives believe that it is not the role of government to indoctrinate people in liberal socialism, libertarians believe that it is not the role of government to indocrinate anyone in anything.

Social conservatives believe that gay people should not be "married." Libertarians believe that the state shouldn't be involved in marrying people in the first place. Most social conservatives have resigned themselves to the fact that homosexuality exists. They just don't want it shoved down their childrens' throats (excuse the imagery) by an all powerful state apparatus.

While there are differences, there are many areas where libertarians and social conservatives can find common ground to advance their agendas without infringing on the others' rights.

16 posted on 10/29/2006 1:20:20 PM PST by Philistone
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To: Philistone

While there are differences, there are many areas where libertarians and social conservatives can find common ground to advance their agendas without infringing on the others' rights.



Also well put.


17 posted on 10/29/2006 1:27:28 PM PST by WhiteGuy (DeWine ranked as one of the ten worst border security politicians - Human Events)
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To: Philistone
> While there are differences, there are many areas where libertarians and social conservatives can find common ground to advance their agendas without infringing on the others' rights....

Of course there's common ground. There's also common ground between the libertarians and the liberals, but that doesn't mean any more or less -- the differences are what define the demarcations between groups. We all breathe air, after all.

> While social conservatives believe that it is not the role of government to indoctrinate people in liberal socialism, libertarians believe that it is not the role of government to indocrinate anyone in anything.

... including conservative morality, which is exactly the point of difference. The fact that the libertarian agrees with the conservative that the liberal agenda is whacked, does not mean that the libertarian agrees with the conservative agenda; or even if so, would want it to be advanced by the government. Social conservatives, like social liberals, are all about advancing their agendas.

If what you're proposing is that the libertarians close their eyes to the social conservative agenda, then you're intentionally ignoring the essence of what "libertarian" means.

18 posted on 10/29/2006 7:00:13 PM PST by dayglored (Listen, strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government!)
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To: Philistone
"You should be able to buy and sell to/from anyone. And if that means restricting what you sell to whom, or who you buy from, it's none of government's business."

Except social conservatives all too often want to restrict what you sell to whom, if they find the what or the whom immoral. See Playboy, alcohol, etc.

"Social conservatives and libertarians agree that people should be responsible for the consequences of their actions, and not be bailed out by taxpayers."

Unless it comes to churches accepting tax-exempt status, and then being challenged for their political stands in violation of federal law which denies tax-exempt status to political groups.

"While social conservatives believe that it is not the role of government to indoctrinate people in liberal socialism, libertarians believe that it is not the role of government to indocrinate anyone in anything."

However, social conservatives all too often believe it is the role of government to indoctrinate people in what they believe are good morals, or worse, their version of the Good Book.

"While there are differences, there are many areas where libertarians and social conservatives can find common ground to advance their agendas without infringing on the others' rights."

Agreed. The problem is that those are rarely the areas the national GOP seems to have on top of the agenda, and social conservatives and libertarians are so eager for the political scraps we do get we're at each others' throats over relatively minor policy issues. We should be hanging together, and hanging the weasels who promise constitutional government and deliver politics as usual.

50 posted on 10/31/2006 8:40:24 PM PST by LibertarianInExile (When personal character isn't relevant to voters or party leaders, Foley happens.)
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