Research discovers oldest bee, evolutionary link

Eurekalert ^ | 25-Oct-2006 | David Stauth

[Jaysun]

Worms aren't everywhere, though they are in a lot of environments. Note that not all worms are identical. There are 5500 species of earthworms in the world alone. There are dozens of other types of worms, with thousands of different species, inhabiting environments ranging from the sea floor to the leaf mould of northern forests. And each of those species is specifically adapted for its environment.

Really? God Almighty. That many earthworms and God knows what else. Your math runs out of years soon enough. No?

[Junior]

Which scientist constructed an entire skeleton from a pig's tooth. I bet you already know you're painting yourself into a corner on this one.

"Java Man" was actually a specimen of Homo Erectus. The initial find actually consisted of the skullcap, a femur and some teeth -- a bit more to build on than just a skullcap. Whereas the initial reports could be considered a bit premature it did pan out and later specimens of H. Erectus did confirm in was a form of primitive man. So, you might say Mssr. Dubois was right in his assessment.

[Jaysun]

"Java Man" was actually a specimen of Homo Erectus. The initial find actually consisted of the skullcap, a femur and some teeth -- a bit more to build on than just a skullcap. Whereas the initial reports could be considered a bit premature it did pan out and later specimens of H. Erectus did confirm in was a form of primitive man. So, you might say Mssr. Dubois was right in his assessment.

What of Nebraska man, Orce man, Neanderthal, the newer bird bones / dinosaur bone combo frauds in China? Even the "brontosaurus" skeleton that many people identify with was a combination of at least two different animals. It's absurd, really, to call this stuff Science.

[Junior]

Your math runs out of years soon enough. No?

Huh? I'm not sure what you are saying here.

[Jaysun]

Huh? I'm not sure what you are saying here.

I'm saying (in that your math runs out of years) that there are too many species and too many types of this or that to possibly have occurred in the lifetime of earth.

[blam]

[somniferum]

I bet that thing had a mean sting.

[navyguy]

Alligators, sharks, shellfish and flies haven't evolved much either. But moths, birds and hominids have.

Not every creature goes through giant evolutionary change. The fact that some don't doesn't mean that those that have, haven't.

[null and void]

Your math runs out of years soon enough. No?

Only if you limit the number of years to 4004 BC to present.

[Jaysun]

But moths, birds and hominids have.

Says who? Says what?

[Jaysun]

Only if you limit the number of years to 4004 BC to present.

LOL! I don't even know where you got that number. I'm talking about Science here, remember? Stick to the topic if you want to play along.

[Junior]

"Nebraska Man" was never identified as such in scientific literature and was the invention of a magazine illustrator. Orce Man consists of a fragment of bone and has never been positively identified as a hominid. A composite bird skeleton from China was sold to a credulous Westerner by a Chinese fossil collector. It was quickly determined to be parts from two different fossils (by scientists, not by creationists). "Brontosaurus" was simply a misidentification of an incomplete juvenile apatosaur.

Mistakes happen in science. Fortunately, science is self-correcting. None of these errors was discovered by laymen or creationists; all were uncovered by scientists.

Now, again, which scientist reconstructed an entire skeleton from a pig's tooth. You made the claim. Put up or admit you made that whole thing up. Hell, don't admit it. Everyone will know it to be the truth regardless of what you say.

Truth be told you could avoid making a complete ass of yourself if you would just do a couple of minutes of research on the internet.

[Junior]

I'm saying (in that your math runs out of years) that there are too many species and too many types of this or that to possibly have occurred in the lifetime of earth.

Really? And you have the facts and figures to back this up? Or is this just another claim you are making up from whole cloth?

[Junior]

A geologist reconstructing a skeleton from a tooth is a bit like a dentist reconstructing a panel truck from a bolt.

BTW, it didn't take long for you to lose your cool. I was only offering advice on how to win arguments on evidence. You made a lot of claims and never made any effort to provide any evidence for them.

But hey, you don't want to continue this conversation and I can understand why. It's been fun. We'll have to do this again sometime.

[null and void]

But you keep asserting that I'm making an "ass of myself". I am not. You are.

Your ability to spot the mote in another's eye is unparalleled.

[Jaysun]

So geologist aren't scientist? What other groups, which serve to support the evolution farce, don't qualify? And you said nothing of the other hoaxes I pointed out. Typical. And crazy, as Science goes. There is no other field that tolerates the same kind of nonsense. There's evidence or there isn't. That's what gives Science its legitimacy.

[Jaysun]

Your ability to spot the mote in another's eye is unparalleled.

Thanks for your useless contribution to this argument.

[Coyoteman]

Only if you limit the number of years to 4004 BC to present.

That's plenty of time! Creationists have told us so!

At least John Woodmorappe (a pseudonym) thinks so. He wrote the following on the Answers In Genesis website:

As pointed out by other creationists [e.g., Lubenow], Homo ergaster, Homo erectus, Homo heidelbergensis, and Homo neanderthalensis can best be understood as racial variants of modern man—all descended from Adam and Eve, and most likely arising after the separation of people groups after Babel.

As noted over on the Darwin Central blog:

[This] change from modern man to Homo ergaster would require a rate of evolution on the order of several hundred times as rapid as scientists posit for the change from Homo ergaster to modern man! This is in spite of the fact that most creationists deny evolution occurs on this scale at all; now they have not only proposed such a change themselves, but see it several hundreds of times faster and in reverse! [emphasis added]

[null and void]

You are *quite* welcome.