Posted on 10/23/2006 5:03:59 AM PDT by SJackson
I have been slamming Condi Rice on this forum for four years now, usually making me the target of merciless attack in return. Hopefully now all the "Condi '08" idiots and others who cursed at me can clearly see now what a vile creature she truly is. She should have been canned along with Tenet on 9/12/2001. She never should have been elevated to SoS, and should be sent back to Stanford, where her leftist views, weak demeanor and appeasing nature are perfectly suited for academia.
Condi's mentor was Brent Scowcroft, a Saudi stooge paid millions by the diaperheads to betray American interests, just like Clinton and his Emirs.
That's what Mama told us you get when you use sugar for hair spray. They chew right down to the brains.
You may be right. The progression from Oslo to the Road may, deleting the requirement of palestinian compliance, a "state" as policy, the 49 borders, recognition of the evil occupation as a casus belli; essentially we're seeing a defacto endorsement of the Saudi plan. With no requirement to cease hostilities, essentially the PLO's phased plan, establish a platform, merge with Jordan (can't talk about that), then liberate Israel. But then the PLO, the recognized representative of the palestinian people wasn't created by the palestinian people, who hadn't yet been invented, rather by the Arab League. To liberate the occupied territory. Tel Aviv and all. So the Saudi connection isn't a surprise.
Many American Jews are in a sort of distant disconnect from Israel; they are like a cross section of all Americans - many of them liberals on social issues. Hillary stated her preference for a Palestinian state years ago, and some Jews still vote for Hillary. Go figure.
I voted for GWB because I thought he was better the Kerry. I disagree with GWB on many things, Israel, immigration, spending, some questions on Iraq. I'm under no illusion that he represents political perfection, and I think it's perfectly legitimate to discuss his policies, and yes, even call them mistakes. He's made a number of mistakes, from the farm bill to no child left behind to the Road map. And he started with the border. So where I think the palestinians would be under Kerry is irrelevant.
No Dr. Rice has not met with Hamas. Yes, Hamas has caused internal fighting. It has destabilized what was an already an unstable situation. And it has worsened the living conditions of that minority of palestinians willing to oppose terror. And it has increased the liklihood of a regional war. Along with turning a blind eye to Hizbollah, a war, a real war, is a probability in the next few years.
Which makes my point, injecting Hamas into palestinian elections was an American foreign policy error, which destabilized the region. Same can be said for our tolerance of Hizbollah running in Lebanon, and our encouragement of the Muslim Brotherhood, through proxies, in Egypt. Terrorists destabilize governments, supporting them is a mistake.
I agree with that, I didn't like the way it was carried out.
So, then of course, our ONLY course of action is to vote for a third party candidate in '08 - - like say, um . . Ross Perot . . thus insuring the election of another Clinton like say, um . . Her Highness Hillary . . the course of action that gave us eight delightful years of His Highney Bill . . Hillary has already years ago expressed her preference for a Palestinian state . . and if the D candidate is Barrack Hussein Obama, his background is already skewed in the Muslim direction no matter what he will say to tickle our ears . . .
When you get up enough votes for a third party candidate to do anything but split the vote against a conservative . . let me know and then we can talk.
Reactionary crap ... when one has to add to the quotes of a speaker such as Dr. Rice, to create as negative a context as possible, the writer is very suspect. I wonder, how fast will capitulation to the Pali terrorists occur under democrap rule of this nation once called 'the United States'?
Of course despite rumors, Israel can't control American support. I think they have to draw the borders unilaterally if necessary.
Citation please.
Don't waste too much time on it though.
The only President to support a sovereign palestinian state is the one sitting in the White Hous.
A meaningless and suicidal exercise. Without recognition (particularly US recognition) it's just moving the goal posts and bringing the enemy so much closer.
How do you get a response like that to my comments about Condi? There are plenty of viable GOP candidates for 2008.
Which quotes were added?
Don Feder is suspect of what? Find me someone more Conservative?
Suspect of literacy perhaps.
The speach is the most pro-palestinian speach made by an American official. It institutionalizes the concept of a sovereign palestinian state as a cornerstone of American (more accurately, administration) policy. A state run by a designated terrorist group. Designated by Condi's state department. It institutionalizes the concept of "occupation". Israel is known in the Arab world as "occupied territory". Condi probably didn't know that. Clearly our policy is beginning to tilt toward palestinian aspirations rather than Israeli security, and ultimately survival.
I think that's where the problem lies.
Bush didn't force Sharon to abandon the Gaza Strip. Sharon decided to do it all on his own, and then Bush backed him up and used it to make nice to the Arabs.
Similarly, Condi is not forcing Olmert to do anything he doesn't already want to do. That's an illusion, to think that Bush has changed policy and is now forcing Israel to destroy itself. No, unfortunately, Olmert is taking Israel down a path toward destruction, and things will continue in this way until the Israeli voters throw Olmert out on his ear, as he richly deserves.
Sure, the State Department is full of Arabist jerks, but Condi is no one they can push around. She is merely following policy that has been decided jointly by the U.S. and Israel. Regretably.
Good night nurse!
I think recognition would follow. I wouldn't envision borders anywhere near Camp David, which would allow negotiating room. Americans, as opposed to administrations, recognize the existance of terror in the region.
GWB pressured Sharon to give up control of the borders, a vital issue. And likely to speed the withdrawl up. Obviously there's no way of knowing, but imo it wasn't a coincidence the "dispute" over the Israeli repair of UAVs for China was suddenly "resolved" withing days of completing the withdrawl. So far Olmert isn't doing much on anything, a different problem.
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