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To: Ogie Oglethorpe; Cold Heat
Sorry for the vanity, but I wrote this right after the Meirs debacle.

The Mistake of the Miers Withdrawal

11-01-05

Harriet Miers has now withdrawn her nomination and Samuel Alito has been nominated in her stead. Although Judge Alito is an excellent conservative choice, and the style of nominee that the conservative right clamored for, not allowing Miers a hearing before the Senate Judiciary Committee was a mistake.

In "borking" Miers, the conservative movement has shot itself in the foot. No longer do the claims of giving a nominee a hearing on their merits carry any weight. It is now evident that conservative or liberal, Supreme Court nominations are purely an ideological and political event.

The scrutiny given to Miers, in order for the conservatives to prove that she was not conservative enough, looked for all the world the same as a liberal witch hunt. Obscure documents, decades old speeches, business related donations were all used to trash her. George Bush was ridiculed and insulted daily on the most conservative web logs, in order to prove to others that he could not be trusted to nominate a conservative. Comments that Miers would be a good secretary or should be limited to getting coffee were as sexist as I have seen in recent memory. George Bush was called a liberal, a traitor to conservatives, ignorant, etc. Ann Coulter had maybe the worst cheap shot of all claiming George Bush had gone back to drinking. Even Laura Bush was trashed, accused of making the pick for the President and then claiming that sexism could be part of the negative response to the pick ( a passing comment made in answer to a question from an interviewer).

As a strong supporter of the President, I was appalled at this response from a group of people that should know better than to use the same arguments that they defended this President from when the comments came from the left. The effect is that now the public knows that there is no difference politically in the left and the right.

The damage is not only to the image of the President but also the conservative movement in general. Whether far right conservatives like it or not, George Bush is the face of conservatism in the country, and he is reviled daily for the conservative stands he takes. When he is referred to as a liberal by other conservatives, the non political public can easily see that those conservatives are off the reservation. When the far right of the conservative movement can dictate an already conservative President’s Supreme Court nomination, it sends a chilling message to moderates. The moderate swing vote determines who is elected in this nation, and a fight like we have seen over Harriet Miers will alienate them.

Another cost is that the brutal and often unfounded criticism of the President not being limited to his liberal opponents allows these unsubstantiated charges to be leveled at the President in every forum. The rhetoric used on the conservative side against the President and Harriet Miers will be used as a weapon against Republicans in the next election. Statements by leading conservative pundits and politicians will be parroted by the left, and there is no response available that will not paint these conservatives as hypocrites.

The Harriet Miers nomination was, at the heart of the matter, a debate on the trust our President deserves. Not understanding the reasons behind the nomination of Miers, the consensus from the right was that he could not be trusted. That destroys the footing that has given the Republican Party gains in all areas for the last three election cycles. The Republican Party and conservatives in general have made a terrible mistake, and we will pay for it in the next election.

624 posted on 10/18/2006 12:03:04 PM PDT by A.Hun (Common sense is no longer common.)
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To: A.Hun
A thoughtful, reasoned post - I must take issue with the following, however:

No longer do the claims of giving a nominee a hearing on their merits carry any weight. It is now evident that conservative or liberal, Supreme Court nominations are purely an ideological and political event.

IMHO, they never carried any weight, at least not since the 1960s when the politicization of the judiciary began to take full effect. This was highlighted by the mother of all rulings (RvW) in 1973 and the string of Anti-American rulings that have followed.

The liberals realized this long before we did. The only chance of it ever changing is by getting five strict constructionists (i.e. people who read and interpret the actual text of the Constitution, rather than making it up ourt of whole cloth as they go along) on there. Liberals will always hate and oppose strict constructionists. Once we realize that, we can skip the pretense and accept the unpleasant fact that the SC has been completely politicized, and our only choice is to win.

637 posted on 10/18/2006 12:07:50 PM PDT by Ogie Oglethorpe (2nd Amendment - the reboot button on the U.S. Constitution)
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To: A.Hun
Your post #624 is a keeper.

IMO, the uproar over the nomination was nothing more than a tantrum being thrown by some right wing talkers. They think they are in charge. Never mind the damage to the President, to the sense of fair play that most conservatives honor.

Frankly, it was a disgrace as was the ill informed hysteria over the Dubai Ports Deal.

Shameful ignorance to prove how much power the big mouths have. What a shame!

642 posted on 10/18/2006 12:11:06 PM PDT by OldFriend (ANNOY THE MEDIA ~ VOTE REPUBLICAN)
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To: A.Hun
I agree, and did then as well if I recall correctly...(memory is a fleeting thing these days)....

Probably one of the worst results of this was that GWB became a lame duck with more than three years remaining. It shot to hell the second term agenda, and hurt the party as a whole.

There is a humorous aspect to this...........Here we are, three weeks out from the midterms, and one section of the RNC base (ultraconservative) is saying they are not going to vote to send a message to the RINO's, and the RINO section is saying they are so PO'd at Conservatives that they may not show up either......

All you can say about this is ........LOL......whatta messssss! If any one section win's the argument or both, they both lose!

647 posted on 10/18/2006 12:17:10 PM PDT by Cold Heat (I just analyze it, I did not create the mess...so go pound sand:-))
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