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Muslims Enraged By Pope's Remarks On Spreading Islam By Violence
Cybercast News Service ^ | 09/15/06 | Patrick Goodenough

Posted on 09/15/2006 7:40:18 AM PDT by Froufrou

Religious scholars and clerics across the Middle East are raging about Pope Benedict XVI's comments on Islam, which he made during a speech in Germany this week. Some are demanding that the pope apologize to the world's Muslims.

This is the latest of a series of rows over non-Muslims' views on Islam, although previous arguments have involved less prominent individuals than the head of the Roman Catholic Church, whom Catholics see as the direct spiritual descendant of the Apostle Peter - and whom some regard as God's representative on earth.

From the Egyptian Brotherhood in Egypt to Islamist clerics in the Gulf, from shari'a judges in Lebanon to top religious figures in Turkey, senior Muslims have criticized the pope's speech at the University of Regensburg in Bavaria on Tuesday.

Some have called on Muslim governments to sever ties with the Holy See and to expel Vatican representatives from their countries. A scheduled papal tour to Turkey in November also is drawing flak.

It's not clear whether critics who have slammed the pope have read the full transcript of his 3,700-word address, but what they have seen or heard is enough.

Specifically, Pope Benedict cited a 14th century discussion on Islam and Christianity between a learned Persian and the Byzantine Emperor Manuel II Palaeologus.

He quoted the emperor as saying to the Persian, "Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached."

The pope told his academic audience that Emperor Manuel II had then explained why spreading faith through violence was unreasonable, that "violence is incompatible with the nature of God and the nature of the soul."

He also quoted the emperor as saying, "Whoever would lead someone to faith needs the ability to speak well and to reason properly, without violence and threats ... To convince a reasonable soul, one does not need a strong arm, or weapons of any kind, or any other means of threatening a person with death ..."

In his scholarly discourse, the pope said Manuel II had argued that it was "unreasonable" to spread faith through violence.

Benedict spoke at some length about God being "reasonable." Quoting the verse from John's gospel in which John writes "In the beginning was the Word," he noted that the Greek word for "Word" - logos - also means "reason."

"John thus spoke the final word on the biblical concept of God," the pope said.

He concluded by saying that Christians invited "our partners in the dialogue of cultures" to reason.

The translation of the full text of the speech, as prepared for delivery, has been made available by the Vatican.

A Vatican spokesman said Thursday the pope wanted to "cultivate an attitude of respect and dialogue toward other religions and cultures - obviously toward Islam too"

"What is at the pope's heart is a clear and radical refusal of the religious motivation of violence," said spokesman Federico Lombardi.

Among those condemning the pope's words about violence and Islam were the head of the Muslim Brotherhood, an Islamist organization based in numerous Arab countries which gave birth to the Hamas terrorist group in the Palestinian territories.

The pope also was criticized by Yusuf al-Qaradawi, an Egyptian-born scholar based in Qatar and regarded as the spiritual leader of the Muslim Brotherhood. Qaradawi has come under fire for praising Palestinian suicide bombers and for calling on Muslims to fight against U.S. forces in Iraq.

Qaradawi was quoted as telling al-Jazeera television that the pope should "apologize to the Muslim nation for insulting its religion, its prophet and its beliefs."


TOPICS: Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: benedictxvi; catholic; islam; muslims; pope; popebenedict; trop; truthhurtsbadboohoo
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1 posted on 09/15/2006 7:40:19 AM PDT by Froufrou
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To: Froufrou

Next headline:

Water is wet.

Everything except them beheading someone enrages these nutjobs.


2 posted on 09/15/2006 7:41:10 AM PDT by edcoil (Reality doesn't say much - doesn't need too)
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To: Froufrou

I personally think they should have a riot to show their displeasure at his comments that they are violent.

Maybe hack off some heads or stone a priest or something.


3 posted on 09/15/2006 7:41:37 AM PDT by MeanWestTexan (Kol Hakavod Lezahal)
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To: Froufrou

I wonder if the Vatican City can withstand a jihad attack? The Beloved Pope has seriously p***ed these people off.


4 posted on 09/15/2006 7:44:06 AM PDT by BipolarBob (I get homesick when I look up in the skies and see my home planet.)
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To: MeanWestTexan

The Pope could do a follow up with these quotes!

"How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries! Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy. The effects are apparent in many countries. Improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce, and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live.

"A degraded sensualism deprives this life of its grace and refinement; the next of its dignity and sanctity. The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property, either as a child, a wife, or a concubine, must delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has ceased to be a great power among men.

"Individual Moslems may show splendid qualities, but the influence of the religion paralyses the social development of those who follow it. No stronger retrograde force exists in the world. Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing faith. It has already spread throughout Central Africa, raising fearless warriors at every step; and were it not that Christianity is sheltered in the strong arms of science, the science against which it had vainly struggled, the civilization of modern Europe might fall, as fell the civilization of ancient Rome."

Sir Winston Churchill (The River War, first edition, Vol. II, pages 248-50, London: Longmans, Green Co., 1899).


5 posted on 09/15/2006 7:44:44 AM PDT by thebaron512
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To: Froufrou
And so what did they do? Yep ... resort to violence!

LOL!

6 posted on 09/15/2006 7:44:48 AM PDT by The G Man (The NY Times did "great harm to the United States" - President George W. Bush 6/26/06)
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To: Froufrou

Our lady of perpetual outrage is never amused.


7 posted on 09/15/2006 7:44:55 AM PDT by cripplecreek (If stupidity got us into this mess, then why can't it get us out?)
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To: Froufrou
I see the Mooslims are taking a page out of the democrats play book: Feign outrage, scream bloody murder (in between committing bloody murder while slaughtering thousands of innocents, of course), and demand an apology.
8 posted on 09/15/2006 7:45:48 AM PDT by demkicker (democrats, terrorists, Powell, McCain, Graham & Collins are intimate bedfellows)
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To: Froufrou
Uh oh! Watch for low flying planes headed for the Vatican.
9 posted on 09/15/2006 7:46:31 AM PDT by no dems ("25 homicides a day committed by Illegals" Ted Poe (R-TX) Houston Hearings 8/16/06)
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To: MeanWestTexan
"Maybe hack off some heads or stone a priest or something"

With these nutjobs, it just may come to pass. I'm waiting for reports of a kidnapping of a Priest.
10 posted on 09/15/2006 7:46:40 AM PDT by alice_in_bubbaland (NY Slimes the paper of record for OBL!)
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To: Froufrou

Should have told 'em to go bark in Hell with their scum-bag prophet. Yeah, thats right, I said it. "Mohamad is a STINKER"!!!!!!


11 posted on 09/15/2006 7:47:06 AM PDT by Msgt USMC
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To: Froufrou

Finally a Pope who knows the importance of telling the truth.

Mohamed was a murderous warrior who led armies in conquest. Islam is a CULT of death and murder.

The Muslims themselves demonstrate the facts of the situation yet they get defensive and outraged when people point out their behaviour?.

The more a Muslim tries to act like Mohamed then the more murderous they become.

The more a Christian tries to act like Jesus then the more peaceful they become.


12 posted on 09/15/2006 7:47:12 AM PDT by Mark Felton ("Your faith should not be in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God.")
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To: BipolarBob
All he is doing is asking simple questions that we can all discuss - they refuse to.

Mohammad was evil and has his place in hell with the worst men in the history of the world -

I believe mathematically, we would have to kill 4,000 muslims per day for over 100 years to get rid of them. They would have to kill 8,000 a day to get rid of Christians.

Either we spend the next few generations killing each other or, we figure a way to work it out and that means they have to be honest with their evil past as they accuse everyone else.
13 posted on 09/15/2006 7:47:29 AM PDT by edcoil (Reality doesn't say much - doesn't need too)
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To: Froufrou

So, to protest the Pope's statement about spreading Islam by violence, the Muslims will spread Islam by violence. Makes perfect sense.


14 posted on 09/15/2006 7:47:36 AM PDT by Fresh Wind (Democrats are guilty of whatever they scream the loudest about.)
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To: Froufrou

A ___________ tried to kill Pope John Paul II.

A)Amish deacon
B)shinto priest
C)Buddist nun
D)an Islamic male between the ages of 18 and 40.


15 posted on 09/15/2006 7:48:34 AM PDT by usmcobra (I sing Karaoke the way it was meant to be sung, drunk, badly and in Japanese, that why I don't sing.)
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To: Froufrou

"Behead those who say islam is violent!"


16 posted on 09/15/2006 7:49:02 AM PDT by Dark Skies
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To: Froufrou

" Stop calling us muzzies "violent", or I'll come over to you and hack your head off with a dull cleaver" - Mo!


17 posted on 09/15/2006 7:49:12 AM PDT by aShepard (Maybe the UN should donate UNICEF proceeds to the Gates Foundation, and fold!)
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To: BipolarBob

Hmmmm, protecting the Vatican, now that's a tour of duty I would jump at!!!


18 posted on 09/15/2006 7:49:21 AM PDT by stm (Katherine Harris for US Senate!)
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To: Froufrou

"You're in denial"

"I AM NOT!!!"


19 posted on 09/15/2006 7:49:48 AM PDT by SlowBoat407 (I've had it with these &%#@* jihadis on these &%#@* planes!)
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To: usmcobra

OHHH, I know this one -- Amish Nun!

Or was it a JOOOOOOOO?


20 posted on 09/15/2006 7:50:00 AM PDT by MeanWestTexan (Kol Hakavod Lezahal)
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