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Rush Limbaugh Live Thread Wednesday 09-13-2006
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Posted on 09/13/2006 9:00:08 AM PDT by MNJohnnie

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The enemy within -- and it's not who you think (David Warren nails Islamofascism's 5th column)

Ottawa Citizen - Canada ^ | September 13, 2006 | David Warren

Posted on 09/13/2006 10:43:18 AM CDT by GMMAC

The enemy within -- and it's not who you think

Ottawa Citizen September 13, 2006

COMMENTARY: DAVID WARREN

Listening to President Bush speak, on Monday's anniversary of 9/11, after a day of distastefully sentimental memorials, my question was not what have we achieved in the last five years, but rather, what have we learned? Bush and Blair -- the captain and vice-captain of Team West in the war against "the terrorists" so far -- are both now in the twilight of their political careers. Both have recently broken with habitual discretion, and made attempts to name the enemy. This has, if anything, added to their unpopularity, for when they mention that the enemy presents himself as Islamic, there are shrill cries not only from radical Muslims, but across the spectrum of the Left in the West.

Mr Bush, much the less eloquent of the two, has now retreated from his use of the term "Islamofascist" -- which as I said in a previous column, is a fairer label than "Islamist" for an enemy that spreads a palampore of traditional Islam, over a stuffing from the Western-bred totalitarian ideologies of the 20th century. As I wrote Aug. 27, from Ahmadinejad to Zawahiri, we hear rhetoric that uses an Islamic vocabulary and crude grammar, but animated with a syntax that owes more to Hitler, Stalin, and Mao, than to the Prophet and his traditional interpreters. The term is thus meant to suggest a skewed Islam, an Islam "adapted to our age" by psychopathic men, whose own Islamic learning is purposefully politicized, and aggressively de-spiritualized. Since the alternative would be to say that Ahmadinejad, Zawahiri, et al. do speak legitimately for Islam, I don't see why anyone should object to the term "Islamofascist".

Mr Blair gave an interview worth reading to the Israeli daily, Haaretz, published Monday. The editors present characterized it as "sombre". The British prime minister was still going through the motions of advocating the "peace process", and the "two-state solution" for Israel and Palestine, without (according to me) any real conviction that it could work. It is just something Western politicians do to please the figurative "Arab street", and it does not please anyone, any more. With much more conviction, he said leaders throughout the West have grasped that we are in a truly "global struggle", for which the people of the West are not prepared. The politicians have failed to explain to us how much is at stake, and how much will be lost if we are not resolute in defence of Western values.

For all its uncharacteristic awkwardness, Mr Blair's answer to a question about British home-grown terrorists donged the bell:

"It's not necessarily what have we done wrong, because part of the problem of what you have in Western opinion is that Western opinion always wants to believe that it's our fault and these people want to have a sort of, you know, grievance culture that they visit upon us and say it's our fault. And so we have a young British-born man of Pakistani origin sitting in front of a television screen saying I will go and kill innocent people because of the oppression of Muslims, when he has been brought up in a country that has given him complete religious freedom and full democratic rights and actually a very good job and standard of living. Now, that warped mind has grown out of a global movement based on a perversion of Islam which we have to confront, and we have to confront it globally."

I frankly admire both Bush and Blair, as courageous politicians, with open minds, doing their best within the limits of what is politically possible in their respective spheres. They are both towering figures, in comparison to the little men who oppose them. We won't know what trouble is, until the little men replace them.

I continue optimistic about what can be done, should we summon the will to do it. I have written repeatedly that a robust and unified Western response to "Islamofascism" could fling it quickly onto the trash-heap of history, to join Nasserism and Baathism and other earlier manifestations of Arab nationalism and socialism. Smack it hard, without apology.

My pessimism is founded in the fear that this robust and unified response cannot be mobilized. We have a huge fifth column in the West, and it is not the Muslim immigrants. They become radicalized only because our "victim culture" encourages them to nurture their grievances. Yet most, despite temptation, remain good, decent people, doing their share of the West's work.

Our real enemy is within us, in the immense constituency of the half-educated narcissists pouring from our universities each year -- that glib, smug, liberal, and defeatist "victim culture" itself, that inhabits the academy, our media, our legal establishment, the bureaucratic class. The opinion leaders of our society, who live almost entirely off the avails of taxation, make their livelihoods biting the hands that feed them, and undermining the moral order on which our solidarity depends.


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To: MarkLevinFan

Duh... what was I thinking? Habit.


681 posted on 09/13/2006 12:21:03 PM PDT by AliVeritas (Libs, your choice... the .380 or Glock? This is not a game, and I have bail money.)
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To: eeevil conservative

Your welcome - not my words, though.

It was a great oped. Words to keep.


682 posted on 09/13/2006 12:27:59 PM PDT by bwteim (bwteim = Begin With The End In Mind)
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To: AliVeritas

Hey, where's the Hannity thread?


683 posted on 09/13/2006 12:30:40 PM PDT by MarkLevinFan
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To: AliVeritas

Thanks! Great piece, AV.


684 posted on 09/13/2006 12:37:33 PM PDT by CDB ("They shall fall by the sword: they shall be a portion for foxes." from Psalm 63)
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To: mwl1; ct_libertarian

Sorry, calling for Rummy's head isn't supporting the WOT. Joe is a POS LIEberal, nothing more. He'll go leftward, just like he's doing now that his seat is in danger, just to appeal to the kook fringe.


685 posted on 09/13/2006 12:49:15 PM PDT by RasterMaster (Winning Islamic hearts and minds.........one bullet at a time!)
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To: RasterMaster; mwl1
Raster,

I respect your opinion.
Being that you live in Oklahoma, according to your profile, I will concede that I know nothing of OK politics.
However I will also acknowledge that you know nothing of CT politics.
That being said, and agreeing to disagree, please take your flame-bait elsewhere.

Thank you.
686 posted on 09/13/2006 12:56:32 PM PDT by ct_libertarian ("Who Is John Galt?" Ayn Rand)
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To: ct_libertarian
Flame bait?

I'm fireproof.

687 posted on 09/13/2006 1:17:54 PM PDT by RasterMaster (Winning Islamic hearts and minds.........one bullet at a time!)
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To: RasterMaster
Cool.
Like your tagline, BTW.
688 posted on 09/13/2006 1:20:16 PM PDT by ct_libertarian ("Who Is John Galt?" Ayn Rand)
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To: ct_libertarian
By the way, I'm a transplanted Yankee, so I do have knowledge beyond OK politics. OK GOP wanted to keep sending "good ol' boys" to D.C. who to me seemed like squishy moderate metrosexuals.

Didn't fly with grassroots, so Tom Coburn was encouraged to run (glad to have representation I can agree with). No one is going to get a hardliner like I'd want in office, so I settle with a good conservative pork buster instead.

I know it's harder to do that in CT, or east coast states but the south was once an impenetrable DUmocrat fortress.
689 posted on 09/13/2006 1:27:56 PM PDT by RasterMaster (Winning Islamic hearts and minds.........one bullet at a time!)
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To: AliVeritas; RaceBannon; Doctor Raoul; Yehuda; rmlew

Freepers meeting at 10:30 for brunch at McFadden's, Second Avenue and 42nd Street. It's going to be a big rally, so this will allow us to find one another. I'll ping the chapter, or maybe start up a thread.


690 posted on 09/13/2006 1:34:14 PM PDT by firebrand
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To: RasterMaster
You got out!
Good for you!

I gotta agree with you to a point about Lieberman.
It really ticked me off when he called for Rumsfeld's head too.
And, yes, it was pure politicking to the kook left, who were actively taking reprisals on him for running independent.

But I really don't see where we have a choice up here.
I'm serious when I tell you that Schlessinger doesn't stand a chance.
It's pathetic, he's barely registering.
So this election it truly is a choice between the lesser of the two evils.
I know that, my wife knows that: She HATES Lieberman.
She hates even more that she's left with no other choice but to vote for him.

A vote for Schlessinger is a vote for Lamont which is a vote for a voice for Soros in the Senate.
A vote for Lieberman, as distasteful as that is, is a vote against Soros.
I know you don't agree with our point of view on this and I really wish we had a viable conservative to put in the Senate.
But we don't.

More than anything else I think we are p*ssed off and frustrated that we are left with such a crappy choice.
691 posted on 09/13/2006 1:43:14 PM PDT by ct_libertarian ("Who Is John Galt?" Ayn Rand)
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To: ct_libertarian
"...crappy choice"

Hopefully some time in the near future a few thousand grassroots conservatives can get out and change that!

692 posted on 09/13/2006 1:59:31 PM PDT by RasterMaster (Winning Islamic hearts and minds.........one bullet at a time!)
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To: RasterMaster
Don't see that happening.
Been trying to convince the wife for some time that it's time to leave.
We've been looking at the Salt Lake area, for the skiing.
I'd prefer FL or TX for the taxes.
CT, however, is hopeless.
3 elections now I've voted against Dodd.
Corrupt as hell, everyone knows it, still in office.
Bloviating more than ever.
I will agree with you on this, Raster, CT sucks!
693 posted on 09/13/2006 2:07:17 PM PDT by ct_libertarian ("Who Is John Galt?" Ayn Rand)
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To: MaestroLC
Chaffee is in a state that is overwhelming Democrat. RI is a HUGH Union state, and even faithful Catholics, like my late Aunt, thought the Democrats were the greatest. Blows my mind.

Chaffee will have some clout in the General based on his being a Repub. in the Senate under a Repub. majority.

694 posted on 09/13/2006 2:14:19 PM PDT by SuziQ
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To: AliVeritas

Oh, it's stolen alright. Was it yours?


695 posted on 09/13/2006 3:09:40 PM PDT by Roccus (Dealing with Democrats IS the War on Terror. (Stolen from FReeper Stallone))
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To: MNJohnnie

Was just listening to the third hour at RushLimbaugh.com, and in the first segment he says that he is a pantheist! While talking about the environment and the oil supply, Rush says that it is his belief that "Nature is God." I kid you not.


696 posted on 09/14/2006 12:47:10 AM PDT by Dajjal
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To: Dajjal

He was being sacastic. He was mocking the Enviormetalist movement that believes "god is nature".


697 posted on 09/14/2006 8:31:40 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (New Democrat Talking Point: Rove made us do it!)
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To: MNJohnnie

The most important un-decided group for this election? The terrorists.


698 posted on 09/14/2006 12:15:08 PM PDT by Excellence (Vote Dhimmocrat; you'll look good in a burqa!)
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To: MNJohnnie
He was being sacastic. He was mocking the Enviormetalist movement that believes "god is nature".

I don't think so. His Christian theology is shaky at best. (Remember the Good Friday when he proclaimed that Good Friday was "the happiest" of all Christian Holy Days?)

My guess is that he was trying to invoke the Founding Fathers' "Nature's God" and it got turned around into "Nature is God."

The context was that he was contrasting his belief to that of the environmentalist wackos. So even if he was trying to mock them as you suggest, it came out wrong.

And remember, he's the one who always insists that "words mean things" even as he splits his infinitives. (Which is itself a diluted version of Richard Weaver's dictum that "Ideas have consequences.")

699 posted on 09/14/2006 2:12:52 PM PDT by Dajjal
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