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Aug Home Data Weak; Market Wonders If Stocks Reflect Downturn
Morningstar ^ | 08-29-2006 | Janet Morrissey

Posted on 08/29/2006 1:15:20 PM PDT by Mini-14

NEW YORK -(Dow Jones)- Sales and home prices fell at a faster clip than expected and inventories climbed further in August as the housing market continued to deteriorate, according to a Banc of America Real Estate Agent survey.

And market experts believe the housing downturn will likely last longer than homebuilding stocks currently reflect.

The study, released Tuesday, shows consumer sentiment toward buying a home soured in August.

"Consumers are shifting from a mindset of waiting for a better price to one where they do not want to buy at this time, no matter what the price is," the study said.

"We think this shift in sentiment is particularly worrisome, as it could take time before the mindset shifts back and could lead the downturn to last longer," Banc of America analyst Daniel Oppenheim said.

The study also found that prices fell sequentially for the 11th consecutive month. Prices tumbled in 82% of the markets surveyed. In July, only 79% of the surveyed markets fell.

The use of incentives continued to rise, hitting record levels. The study found that incentives were used in lieu of price decreases whenever possible in weak markets, but that incentives were also used in healthy markets to allow builders to increase volume and market share.

The amount of inventory rose in all markets, except Austin, in August. The inventory of existing homes for sale reached 3.86 million in August, up from 2.15 million in January 2005.

The latest inventory level would take 7.3 months to sell at the current pace, and Banc of America analyst Dan Oppenheim expects this inventory supply could reach nine months before next spring.

Oppenheim said the survey shows prices, incentives, selling times and traffic were all worse than real estate agents had expected. "We expect that conditions are likely to worsen further through the fall/winter and into next spring," he said.

"We think this excess inventory makes it unlikely that the market will rebound in the near term," he added.

Raymond James analyst Rick Murray said the study backs up his finding that consumer sentiment has definitely shifted.

"Consumers are just of the mindset at this point that it is not the time to be buying a home and this becomes increasingly problematic for housing," Murray said.

"Inventory levels right now would suggest that this downturn is probably going to last a period of years as opposed to quarters," the analyst said.

He doesn't believe the stock prices reflect this longer-term downturn.

"We would argue that the stocks are not pricing in the prospect that this could be a very prolonged downturn similar to some that we've seen in past cycles," Murray said.

He said homebuilding stocks are currently trading at about 1.2 times book value, which is "far above where valuations have troughed in past cycles." During the housing crash of the late 1980s and early 1990s, valuations fell to 0.6 times book value.

Mike Eckerman, founder of Residential Asset Management, a real estate investment company, said the "unrealistic appreciation" in home prices in certain major markets over the past few years was unsustainable. So he isn't surprised by the pullback.

He said it's investors with a day-trading mentality, who want to flip properties for big profits after a few months, who are being hit hardest. He said housing still remains a good long-term investment.

"People need to get out of the day-trading mentality," said Eckerman, who owns about 400 homes in Arizona that's he accumulated over 17 years. "I think if people take a longer horizon perspective as far as being patient and not panicking with the real estate marketplace right now, they're going to be perfectly fine."

Eckerman still believes the correction will be short-lived and significant price slashing limited to certain markets.

"Prices have gone down a little bit - but it's not a collapse," he said. As long the economy, interest rates and employment remain healthy, and inflation is benign, he doesn't expect home prices to plummet.

"This bubble epidemic that people keep talking about is completely overblown as far as what I'm experiencing on a day in, day out basis," Eckerman said.

Homebuilding stocks were down across the board Tuesday, with WCI Communities ( WCI), Beazer Homes USA (BZH), Hovnanian Enterprises Inc. (HOV), D.R. Horton ( DHI), M.D.C. Holdings Inc. (MDC), Lennar Corp. (LEN), Meritage Homes (MTH), Pulte Homes Inc. (PHM), Ryland Group (RYL), and Standard Pacific Corp. (SPF) all falling more than 2%.


TOPICS: Business/Economy
KEYWORDS: estate; home; house; housing; real

1 posted on 08/29/2006 1:15:21 PM PDT by Mini-14
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To: Mini-14
He said it's investors with a day-trading mentality, who want to flip properties for big profits after a few months, who are being hit hardest.

Aw gee, shucks for them, boo hoo. It was these nimrods who caused the huge increases in the first place!

2 posted on 08/29/2006 1:21:21 PM PDT by xrp (Fox News Channel: MISSING WHITE GIRL NETWORK)
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To: Mini-14

This is only the tip if the iceberg. Arms are resetting.


3 posted on 08/29/2006 1:23:44 PM PDT by Hydroshock ( (Proverbs 22:7). The rich ruleth over the poor, and the borrower is servant to the lender.)
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To: Hydroshock
Resetting from what to what? How many are resetting and are they all going to reset to some extraordinary level that is totally unexpected? Can there be many if any home buyers who purchased to live in their homes who did not expect their payments to jump?

Rates are still about as low as they were in 1968 when I bought my first home.
4 posted on 08/29/2006 1:35:44 PM PDT by Eagles Talon IV
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To: Eagles Talon IV

Over a trillion dollars worth of arms with teaser rates will expire and reset to the current rates in the next 12 to 18 months. When that happens the fur will fly.


5 posted on 08/29/2006 1:37:22 PM PDT by Hydroshock ( (Proverbs 22:7). The rich ruleth over the poor, and the borrower is servant to the lender.)
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To: Hydroshock

"Over a trillion dollars worth of arms with teaser rates will expire and reset to the current rates in the next 12 to 18 months"

I know of 3 in Temecula CA that have been reset over $400/mo higher and are in forclosure.


6 posted on 08/29/2006 1:45:22 PM PDT by dalereed
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To: dalereed

Like I said the tip of the iceberg. I just pray that the economy is not playing Titanic.


7 posted on 08/29/2006 1:46:58 PM PDT by Hydroshock ( (Proverbs 22:7). The rich ruleth over the poor, and the borrower is servant to the lender.)
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To: Hydroshock
Over the next 12-18 months? Where is the data that shows the actual increases these people will pay? Surely they expected an increase when the took the ARM? Plus these rates have already been raised at least once each year as interest have been rising for 17 straight quarters now. Finally, ARMS are always coming due since they have been around for awhile. Many who have seen the direction of interest rates may have refinanced and locked in a fixed rate.

Sorry, but without actually figures of how many families and what size the mortgages involved are and how many will come due at any given time, it seems this is nothing but another scenario of gloom and doom being spread about by someone with anm agenda. Something we see a lot of today. People who bought to flip their properties will get hurt and that's tough, they get no sympathy from me. The banks will take the properties back and another individual will buy them at a steeply discounted price.

And the cycle will resume as it always has in the past.
8 posted on 08/29/2006 2:08:03 PM PDT by Eagles Talon IV
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To: Eagles Talon IV
The overall stock market agrees with you.

I think there is more pain in the future.

9 posted on 08/29/2006 3:00:42 PM PDT by Tripleplay
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To: Hydroshock

"I just pray that the economy is not playing Titanic."

I don't think the economy is going to crash, the housing market has been RIDICULOUSLY over-heated for the past few years. When do you think will be a good time to buy? 8 months? A year?


10 posted on 08/29/2006 3:36:48 PM PDT by jocon307 (The Silent Majority - silent no longer)
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To: Mini-14

Hi willie green!


11 posted on 08/29/2006 4:21:53 PM PDT by MonroeDNA (Go Crist!!! Next FL Governor!)
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To: Hydroshock

Hi Pat!


12 posted on 08/29/2006 4:23:03 PM PDT by MonroeDNA (Go Crist!!! Next FL Governor!)
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To: Mini-14

Yet another doom and gloom article that doesn't mention that interest rates on fixed rate mortgages have been going down for over a month.


13 posted on 08/29/2006 6:07:51 PM PDT by Moonman62 (The issue of whether cheap labor makes America great should have been settled by the Civil War.)
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To: Hydroshock

Provided that they can handle one upward adjustment they'll do alright since short term rates will be going down for the next few years.


14 posted on 08/29/2006 6:09:46 PM PDT by Moonman62 (The issue of whether cheap labor makes America great should have been settled by the Civil War.)
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To: Eagles Talon IV
Sorry, but without actually figures of how many families and what size the mortgages involved are and how many will come due at any given time, it seems this is nothing but another scenario of gloom and doom being spread about by someone with anm agenda

Go to google and type in arm reset and you get articles such as this. The articles vary on the scope of the problem, but I think one can conclude certain areas of the country could be in for a rough time.

http://realtytimes.com/rtcpages/20060821_lendersworry.htm

15 posted on 08/29/2006 11:41:32 PM PDT by EVO X
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To: Mini-14
Mike Eckerman......think he has an interest in talking up the market! Reminiscent of Nasdaq analysts 1999-2000.
16 posted on 08/30/2006 12:08:30 AM PDT by caresistance
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To: Black Birch

Certain areas of the country will indeed feel the reset more. Those would be the areas where speculation ran amok and prices went to insane levels. California, Fla., Arizona, Nevada, parts of the Northeast are some places that come to mind. For the greater majority of people who simply bought a home to live in, their will be little effect on the economy over all.


17 posted on 08/30/2006 12:57:21 PM PDT by Eagles Talon IV
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To: Eagles Talon IV
For the greater majority of people who simply bought a home to live in, their will be little effect on the economy over all.

I live deep in the heart of flyover country. We had a feeding frenzy about 18 months ago. It lasted maybe 6 months at most and then nothing appeared to be moving for the next year. Homes sales seem to be moving again. At least the ones that people can afford and are fairly priced.

18 posted on 08/30/2006 5:38:51 PM PDT by EVO X
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To: Black Birch
The key is pricing. It is not necessary to give property away and few do so unless they are desperate. Very few people fall into that category. Sellers simply remove the home from the market if they cannot get a fair price.
19 posted on 08/31/2006 7:02:33 AM PDT by Eagles Talon IV
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