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Sleeping sex ruled illegal
Calgary Sun ^ | 8-24-06 | Kevin Martin

Posted on 08/25/2006 11:40:00 AM PDT by Snickering Hound

Sex with a passed-out partner isn't OK even if they consented prior to losing consciousness, Alberta's top court ruled yesterday.

But in a dissenting opinion that could send the case to the Supreme Court, one judge said the ruling will mean couples can't get amourous while one is asleep.

Justice Carole Conrad said the majority decision by two fellow judges will prohibit one partner from touching another sexually while the other is sleeping.

"It is important to consider the implications of concluding that unconsciousness automatically means a lack of consent," Conrad said in her dissent. "It would mean that a husband, wife or any individual charged with sexual assault for touching a partner sexually while that partner is unconscious could not rely on consent."

In the written decision, Justice Marina Paperny, in handing down the majority ruling, said an Edmonton man who fondled a passed out woman was automatically guilty.

Paperny said because the woman was unconscious, she was no longer capable of providing consent, even if she agreed to the touching before passing out.

Edmontonian Glenn Allan Ashlee and another man were charged Sept. 14, 2003, after a driver spotted them on a downtown street fondling the breasts of a passed out woman.

Both men were originally convicted of a summary conviction offence, but a Queen's Bench overturned the findings of guilty.

The Crown appealed those acquittals, but never served their appeal on the other man.

Because Conrad dissented, Ashlee is automatically entitled to argue his case in the Supreme Court.


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To: Snickering Hound
Sleeping sex ruled illegal

Well, guys, we're gonna have to figure out how much alcohol it takes to get a woman to sleep with us without making her pass out. Seems like that gives us about 2/3rds of a drink for an error margin.

81 posted on 08/25/2006 6:55:31 PM PDT by dirtboy (This tagline has been photoshopped)
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To: Graybeard58
As long as Alberta is awake you can.

The name Alberta conjures up thoughts of a beautiful landscape or an ugly woman.
82 posted on 08/25/2006 6:55:59 PM PDT by July 4th (A vacant lot cancelled out my vote for Bush.)
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To: El Oviedo
I bet you these judges had no sex experience at all. It's all in their minds. What a pity!

We need to send the penis pump judge over there to straighten them out.

83 posted on 08/25/2006 6:56:25 PM PDT by dirtboy (This tagline has been photoshopped)
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To: wallcrawlr

When I was in college a girl and I went back to her place after sufficient drinking and a doobie. After getting properly undressed and under the covers, when I was sure I was almost home........ she starts snoring. I locked the door behind me as I left-very disappointed. As if life wasn't already tough enough.


84 posted on 08/25/2006 7:10:30 PM PDT by ChildOfThe60s (If you can remember the 60s...you weren't really there.)
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To: fanfan

How does the aggrieved partner prove that they were in fact asleep?


85 posted on 08/25/2006 7:20:17 PM PDT by Fair Go
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To: Fair Go

If it's like any other the law, the woman's word would be enough, but the man would be laughed at, and told to go home and get some more.


Equality between the sexes don't you know./s


86 posted on 08/26/2006 7:43:28 AM PDT by fanfan
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To: Snickering Hound
If courts have ruled that stepping into the batters box constitutes consent to be thrown at, doesn't slipping under the covers constitute consent to be groped? If you don't want to be groped someone should sleep on the couch.
87 posted on 08/26/2006 7:48:43 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (NYT Headline: 'Protocols of the Learned Elders of CBS: Fake But Accurate, Experts Say.')
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To: Snickering Hound

What if the partner falls asleep DURING sex? =^D


88 posted on 08/26/2006 9:27:01 AM PDT by dangus
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To: Integrityrocks
This is one sick judge. He would dissent over this argument? "amourous & having sex" are still two different things.

I think this goes into case law in Canada. If you don't have permission to touch someone, even your spouse, legally, you are committing assault if you do. Hence, even putting you arm around your wife while she is sleeping (i.e. unable to give consent) is the legal equivalent of walking up to a stranger and punching them in the face. I think it goes back to ultra-liberal feminazis types that believe any male touching of a female is rape in one form or another. THese people get the types of judges they want elected and this is the type of ruling we get stuck with. Heck, some of these types think a legal contract should be signed before sex in order to prove consent was given freely by the woman.

89 posted on 08/27/2006 2:21:01 PM PDT by doc30 (Democrats are to morals what and Etch-A-Sketch is to Art.)
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To: Snickering Hound
Well, there goes all the excitement in my life, I can't have sex unless I am asleep.
90 posted on 08/28/2006 6:59:45 PM PDT by Candor7 (Into Liberal flatulance goes the best hope of the West, and who wants to be a smart feller?)
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To: Snickering Hound

91 posted on 08/28/2006 7:02:15 PM PDT by MikefromOhio (aka MikeinIraq - Go Bucks!!!)
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To: Snickering Hound

There goes my red neck foreplay move "Honey, u-wake?"


92 posted on 08/28/2006 7:04:42 PM PDT by osideplanner
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To: 1riot1ranger; al baby; albee; Argh; beaureguard; bedolido; Bella_Bru; beyond the sea; CholeraJoe; ..
OMG one of the funniest threads ever . . . Salacious Ping List ping!
93 posted on 08/28/2006 7:06:04 PM PDT by Xenalyte (No movie shall triumph over "Snakes on a Plane.")
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To: Mike Bates

Ah, but given our courts like to reference international law...


94 posted on 08/28/2006 7:07:27 PM PDT by ican'tbelieveit (Join FreeRepublic's Folding@Home team (Team# 36120), KW:Folding)
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To: Snickering Hound

I had a girlfriend who used to wake me up with a...well, I'll let you use your imagination, but I will say I was happy throughout most of the day, HEHE.


95 posted on 08/28/2006 7:09:32 PM PDT by phoenix0468 (http://www.mylocalforum.com -- Go Speak Your Mind.)
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To: Graybeard58

Oh, Graybeard, you're good, ROFLMAO!!!


96 posted on 08/28/2006 7:12:05 PM PDT by phoenix0468 (http://www.mylocalforum.com -- Go Speak Your Mind.)
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To: -YYZ-

Well...in the old 3/33 AR we'd lace boots on the inebriates hands and tickle their noses.


97 posted on 08/28/2006 9:34:41 PM PDT by skepsel
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