Posted on 08/16/2006 3:02:58 AM PDT by ajolympian2004
"I couldn't find the site where I read this, but I remember that they printed witness statements of the Pentagon attack."
You might have read it here on FR, I've posted this information previously.
I believe this is the article:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/metro/daily/sep01/attack.html
Did your friend question that conspiracy garbage she watched after your talk?
just another administration shill, bought and paid for by Halliburton money, blah blah> sarcasm off
She had questions that I wasn't able to address beyond the "What these people are saying makes ABSOLUTELY no sense!" standpoint. IE she had mirrored some BS data about the tempature of steel melting, etc, etc. I told her, "Listen, I should never be able to poke you, because when I move my finger to poke you, it's always half the distance closer, and since it's always half the distance it never actually touches, yet.... *poke poke*".
Curious to see her reaction to the scientific data from PM.
I heard it said that what the 9/11 conspiracy belief comes right down to, in many cases, is a nearly religious belief on the part of many people that the government is powerful and competent.
It's the same kind of belief that motivated the Red Army to overthrow the Russian monarchy and impose Communism across a vast swath of the world - this blind faith that if only the RIGHT people were in charge, if only the SMART people were in charge (namely, THEM), the force of government could be turned to noble ends and capably and efficiently solve all of society's problems.
We see this same impulse behind HillaryCare, the TSA, and so on.
They believe that the government was responsible for 9/11 because if they accepted reality that government is a stupid, blind giant, blundering along and smashing whatever it comes across, then their dreams of a government-imposed utopia fall to ashes.
They are forced to believe that the government was smart enough, and capable enough, to pull of a 9/11 conspiracy, because otherwise how in the world could they expect their dream of nationalized health care to work?
After hearing the NORAD tapes, I find it astounding that despite the untold $ we spend on defense (as well as training)our E.coast was so unprotected that day as well as the fact that the personnel seemed so clueless on how to react when it was established the planes had been hijacked.
The amusing thing here is that Popular Mechanics is written by a bunch of guy who sit on a sofa in their garage and discuss world events, with a mechanical view of events...either it works or it doesn't. As for this article...they took apart most of the myths surrounding 9-11. The idiots who keep these myths alive don't have much to support their ideas and its more of a Elvis thing now.
She probably saw "Loose Change", an incredibly inept example of quote-mining and cherry-picking. You can see it on Google Video, if you must.
Here's a humorous response:
http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=911_morons
and another funny site mocking Loose Change
http://loosetrains911.blogspot.com/
and here are some more serious sites that debunk the conspiracy nuts
http://www.911myths.com/index.html
http://www.debunking911.com/index.html
http://911conspiracysmasher.blogspot.com/
http://screwloosechange.blogspot.com/
Perhaps the most damning words against these guys comes from their own statements.
Watch "9/11 Deniers Speak" on youtube
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6uFNBpjZCI4
This is a video that debunks the Loose Change video. It's excellent and rather than waste your time watching the Loose Change video you should just watch this one because it follows the video along and pauses to debunk each point the video makes. It's a little long, but excellent viewing.
Click on Videos in the left hand corner to watch the 3 part video
http://www.lolloosechange.co.nr/
http://www.lolloosechange.co.nr/
I just watched the whole thing. I'd seen parts of it before on youtube.com called "9/11 Deniers Speak" by MarkyX (Mark Iridian) Her does a great job of using their own words to prove what a bunch of liars or idiots they are (or both).
They say they respect the victims and their families, but when they're doing interviews w friendly Moonbat hosts, they MOCK the victims and their families.
These guys are sick.
there are folks - especially in the Middle East that believe this.
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unfortunately there are a lot of people who are starting to believe this crap here in the US-- mostly young guys in their 20's.
They're beyond Bush-hating. They believe Clinton was in on it too. One of the producers believes the Apollo moon landings were faked and Pearl Harbor was an inside job.
Thank you for this - forwarded to my liberal ex-girlfriend. I think she was a little skeptical of the 911 conspiracy theory - she was one of those rare libs with an iota of common sense - but hopefully this should help her understand the science.
I finally had a chance to look at the Loose Change video and must admit that I am really beyond appalled. I'm pissed, I'm angry. These people are making things up to try to be relevent.
A paper by a demolitions expert blows away the "controlled demolition" theory.
http://www.implosionworld.com/WTC%20COLLAPSE%20STUDY%20BBlanchard%208-8-06.pdf
found here:
http://911conspiracysmasher.blogspot.com/2006/08/implosion-world-more-facts-for.html
He says that since the buildings failed at the planes' point of impact, the demo charges would have to have been planted there.
If they were planted there ahead of time, the planes' impact would have:
1. dislodged them or even ejected them from the building
2. burned them or the remote detonators up
3. caused them to explode prematurely
Unless you believe that guys were runnning around AFTER the planes hit planting demolition charges in burning buildings! (in less than an hour for tower 2)
Because of this, some of these nuts say NO PLANES hit the WTC at all! (The NO PLANES THEORY)
The planes were special effects inserted live on all the TV networks at the same time, or they we holograms projected by secret govt technology!
Cue the Twilight Zone theme music!
http://www.lolloosechange.co.nr/
**They say they respect the victims and their families, but when they're doing interviews w friendly Moonbat hosts, they MOCK the victims and their families.**
One of the things that made me sickest was that they just throw out moonbat crap likes it's a fact and they have no real facts to back it up! They NEVER talk to an expert on any subject! They just talk to raving moonbats like themselves who aren't even qualified to give an expert opinion on the subject. These are the people who think they have superior intellect and they can't even properly research a subject and present a factual documentary.
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