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Join a network of citizens who are saying Abolish the IRS and Give Us A Fair Tax
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Posted on 08/12/2006 5:59:58 AM PDT by Man50D

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To: groanup
"...even under the strong assumptions made in H.R. 25 - no avoidance, no evasion, no legislative erosion of the private consumption or the state and local government consumption and investment purchases tax base – the NRST would still require a 31 percent tax-inclusive rate (44 percent tax-exclusive) to be revenue-neutral and hold government programs constant relative to current law over the next 10 years." --Gale, William, The National Retail Sales Tax: What Would The Rate Have To Be? April 2005

Bad news for the NRST promoters and their universal welfare scheme.

1,121 posted on 08/15/2006 7:01:25 PM PDT by Mojave
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To: groanup
I suppose you are trying to somehow, in some minute, stretching way imply that Greenspan didn't for sure, absolutely, definitely, without a doubt postively and whole heartedly endorse a consumption tax.

Greenspan "for sure, absolutely, definitely, without a doubt postively and whole heartedly endorse a consumption tax" in the same way that he "for sure, absolutely, definitely, without a doubt postively and whole heartedly endorsed" fixes to the income tax rules.

Did you read his speech?

1,122 posted on 08/15/2006 7:25:08 PM PDT by lucysmom
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To: Mojave; All
Gale alert. We have a SQL quoting Gale.

Don't you know that quoting Gale is like Gene Sperling's analysis of tax cuts? Neither one has a clue.

Do you know who Gene Sperling is? Was?

Google

1,123 posted on 08/15/2006 7:34:33 PM PDT by groanup (sunshine or thunder)
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To: lucysmom

You posted it yourself madam. Greenspan made the statement. Get over it. He is in favor of a consumption tax. yada yada yada.


1,124 posted on 08/15/2006 7:37:26 PM PDT by groanup (sunshine or thunder)
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To: groanup
Gale alert.

Spam alert.

1,125 posted on 08/15/2006 7:46:06 PM PDT by Mojave
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To: groanup
The National Retail Federation is virulently anti fair tax IIR.

Retailers would be intimately involved with the FairTax, they would collect it, be paid to collect it, and have their own income taxes reduced by it. According to the FiarTaxers their sales would go through the roof and one would assume profits too; it might be wise to seriously consider why they would be against it. It just wouldn't make sense that if they have so much to gain they would commission a study to trash the FairTax without good reason.

Conversely, the American Farm Bureau, one of the largest special interest groups on the government corporate welfare dole is for the FairTax. Why, if their interests are better served by the status quo, would they support the FairTax?

You can call me all the names you want, disparage my arguments and intelligence, but those are valid questions. If you don't seek real answers, not just accept the "they're agin it cause they're agin it" FairTax answer, you could wake up one morning finding that you've been royally screwed and wondering what happened.

1,126 posted on 08/15/2006 7:50:02 PM PDT by lucysmom
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To: lucysmom
Retailers would be intimately involved with the FairTax, they would collect it, be paid to collect it, and have their own income taxes reduced by it.

Businessmen versus cultists with visions of monthly welfare checks in their eyes.

1,127 posted on 08/15/2006 7:56:11 PM PDT by Mojave
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To: Mojave
Businessmen versus cultists with visions of monthly welfare checks in their eyes.

A businessman has to solve actual problems, and do the books, the cultists need only believe in the free lunch.

1,128 posted on 08/15/2006 8:08:28 PM PDT by lucysmom
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To: groanup

SQL=Stuck Quoting Linder
again, ad nauseum.


1,129 posted on 08/16/2006 2:51:23 AM PDT by xcamel (Press to Test, Release to Detonate)
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To: lucysmom
There's supposed to be some difference in intelligence and moral fortitude between the retail special interests and the farm bureau special interest? I don't think so.

ONe retailer I know personally runs the local hardware store. High traffic, small to large purchases.

He has copies of the Fair Tax book at the checkout counter.

1,130 posted on 08/16/2006 5:29:59 AM PDT by groanup (sunshine or thunder)
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To: groanup

And that proves?


1,131 posted on 08/16/2006 6:47:48 AM PDT by lucysmom
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To: lucysmom
And that proves?

So far that I know one more retailer than you do. Anything you'd like to prove?

1,132 posted on 08/16/2006 7:11:12 AM PDT by groanup (sunshine or thunder)
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To: lucysmom

... that the retailer has some sense unlike you and your cronies who pick up what the others use for attacks and continually repeat them without understanding what's being talked about.


1,133 posted on 08/16/2006 7:20:29 AM PDT by pigdog
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To: groanup
It's because they've got nothing - and they know it - so their only hope is to try to pass off misinformation to the unsuspecting ... just look at the stuff recently here:

A "57%" tax rate (NRF hitpiece made many years ago and not even reviewing he FairTax) when the truth is that NO TAXPAYER WILL EVER PAY HE MARGINAL 23% (ti) RATE UNDER THE FAIRTAX. Instead they merely continue the pretense that everyone will pay the full marginal rate on everything he buys rather than subtracting the untaxed things.

A second bit of claptrap is the claim that a tax rebate (so identified in the bill) is somehow an entitlement. As we've seen, weak (or nonexistent) arguments are better than none they seem to think. You'll frequently see them dredge up old, discredited argument as though they were some newwly found pearl of wisdom. It's actually funny.

1,134 posted on 08/16/2006 8:05:34 AM PDT by pigdog
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To: xcamel

SQL = Still Quoting Lies - again, from your side.


1,135 posted on 08/16/2006 8:06:38 AM PDT by pigdog
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To: pigdog
... that the retailer has some sense unlike you and your cronies who pick up what the others use for attacks and continually repeat them without understanding what's being talked about.

That from a guy who presents economic arguments without a clue that economics is a social science.

1,136 posted on 08/16/2006 8:16:15 AM PDT by lucysmom
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To: pigdog

You'll frequently see them dredge up old, discredited argument as though they were some newwly found pearl of wisdom. It's actually funny.

Not in several threads have I seen any of them put forth a new argument. With them it's always the same old arguments followed by them slinging labels such as cult, socialist, Marxist, etc. The funny thing is, they protect the cult of socialist, status quo agenda. Their projection is a rather common tactic by discredited losers.

1,137 posted on 08/16/2006 8:32:50 AM PDT by Zon (Honesty outlives the lie, spin and deception -- It always has -- It always will.)
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To: Zon
Not in several threads have I seen any of them put forth a new argument.

Guess you haven't been to the FairTax web site. The FairTaxers cut and paste responses to objections from the FairTax web site. They can't even make up their own insults. Glad to see though, that PD has stopped cutting and pasting the "good quotes".

Their projection is a rather common tactic by discredited losers.

LOL! You said it!

1,138 posted on 08/16/2006 8:53:37 AM PDT by lucysmom
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To: lucysmom
Doesn't matter whether it's social or unsocial - it's still a science. Remember it's called the "dismal science" by some.

What's your point??? Or do you really have one? Do you somehow find a comment such as yours relevant to the FairTax or do you just enjoy seeing your screenname in print???

1,139 posted on 08/16/2006 8:56:12 AM PDT by pigdog
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To: lucysmom
"... discredited losers ..."

I see that Zon has identified you exactly ... and you've done it to yourselves.

1,140 posted on 08/16/2006 8:59:18 AM PDT by pigdog
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