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Giuliani-Lieberman? Never
Human Events ^ | August 11, 2006 | Editorial

Posted on 08/11/2006 8:33:13 AM PDT by Reagan Man

Many pundits accurately noted that Democratic Sen. Joe Lieberman’s loss in last week’s Senate primary in Connecticut would cause the Democratic Party to lurch further left, making it less viable in national elections.

But Weekly Standard Editor Bill Kristol came up with a novel idea wherein Lieberman’s loss would lead the Republican Party into a leftward lurch of its own—thus killing the GOP in national elections.

Kristol floated the idea that Lieberman—who filibustered the nomination of John Bolton as UN ambassador, voted against the Bush tax cuts, and boasted an American Conservative Union rating of 0% in 2004—could run as the next Republican vice presidential candidate, possibly on a ticket headed by former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani. That would give the GOP an all-liberal, all-Blue State ticket in 2008.

Class Warrior

Whether Lieberman wins or loses in Connecticut in November, Kristol wrote in an editorial for the Weekly Standard, “the possibility exists for creating a broader and deeper governing party, with Lieberman Democrats welcomed into the Republican fold, just as Scoop Jackson Democrats became Reaganites in the 1980s. Is it too fanciful to speculate about a 2008 GOP ticket of McCain-Lieberman, or Giuliani-Lieberman, or Romney-Lieberman, or Allen-Lieberman, or Gingrich-Lieberman?”

What Kristol ignores is that with few significant exceptions, other than his position on the Iraq War—which is effectively the same as Sen. Hillary Clinton’s position on the Iraq War—Joe Lieberman is a hard-core liberal.

He was right at home as Al Gore’s Democratic running mate in 2000, and had Gore won an Electoral College victory that year, there is no doubt Lieberman would have enthusiastically supported and advanced all the left-wing causes Gore was preparing to advance.

In fact, Lieberman’s ACU rating has drifted leftward since 2000, when he scored a 20%. As noted, in the election year of 2004, when he was seeking the Democratic presidential nomination, Lieberman scored a perfect 0%. Last year, he bounced back all the way to 8%. Liberal Republican Senators Susan Collins and Olympia Snowe of Maine, by contrast, both scored 32%. Sen. Arlen Specter (R.-Pa.) had a 63%.

There can be no disputing that on social, fiscal and regulatory issues, Lieberman marches with the far left. He repeatedly opposed the ban on partial-birth abortion, voted to lift President Reagan’s Mexico City policy which denies U.S. foreign aid to groups that perform or promote abortions, voted for a resolution that claimed Roe v. Wade was correctly decided, and filibustered the constitutional amendment to protect traditional marriage. Lieberman also filibustered the nomination of Miguel Estrada to the federal Circuit Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia and voted against Sam Alito for the Supreme Court.

On the fiscal front, Lieberman opposed the Bush tax cuts and attacked them with the typical class-war demagoguery employed by virtually all contemporary Democrats. “George Bush protects loopholes for corporations and tightens the noose around the necks of America’s working families. His policies have abandoned the middle class and attacked the poor,” Lieberman said in a 2003 speech. “… More than a million Americans fell into poverty in just the first year of the Bush Administration. But George Bush has ignored these crises, and he’s given a huge tax cut that we can’t afford to people who already can afford just about everything they want.”

In fact, Bush cut income taxes for everybody who actually paid them.

Meanwhile, Lieberman has never been opposed to big government, pushing increased federal spending and intervention in the free market. In 2005, he got a 9% rating—or a grade of “F”—from the National Taxpayers Union.

Lieberman voted to force the U.S. to comply with the terms of Al Gore’s Kyoto global-warming treaty, even though the treaty was never ratified.

He voted against allowing oil drilling in Alaska’s Arctic National Wildlife Refuge.

He voted against extending the moratorium on Internet taxation.

He voted to extend the phony “assault-weapons” ban and against exempting gun manufacturers from lawsuits seeking to hold them liable for violence committed by others.

Even on national security-related issues, his supposed strong suit, Lieberman has sometimes gone soft. In 2002, he was one of only 19 senators who voted against the American Servicemembers Protection Act, designed to protect U.S. military personnel from prosecution by the International Criminal Court. As noted, he filibustered the nomination of John Bolton as UN ambassador, and he voted against confirming his former colleague John Ashcroft (who predictably became a stellar force in the war against terror) as attorney general.

Most of the prospective presidential candidates whom Bill Kristol ponders heading a 2008 Republican ticket with Joe Lieberman as running mate can be expected to hit the campaign trail after the November elections to try to prove to Republican primary voters that he shares their conservative values. These include McCain, Romney, Allen and Gingrich. It will be harder for some—particularly McCain, who has committed many grave apostasies in recent years—than for others.

But Rudy Giuliani was never a conservative of any kind.

As Kate O’Beirne pointed out in a recent analysis in National Review, Giuliani was endorsed for mayor in 1989 by the Liberal Party, which said of him: “He agreed with the Liberal Party’s views on affirmative action, gay rights, gun control, school prayer, and tuition tax credits.”

In 1992, O’Beirne reports, Giuliani said Nelson Rockefeller represented “a tradition in the Republican Party I’ve worked to rekindle—the Rockefeller, Javits, Lefkowitz tradition.”

The Republican Party is in trouble today not because it has drifted away from Rockefeller Republicanism, but because it is drifting back toward it.

The conservative vision is comprehensive. It believes in limited government, traditional values, and a foreign policy that looks at our national interests with cold, clear eyes and works aggressively to defend them. Since the Republican Party unambiguously embraced this vision with the election of Ronald Reagan as President in 1980 it has lost only one presidential election, and has become the majority party in Congress.

The one presidential election that was lost—by the senior President Bush—came after Bush had turned his back on core conservative values.

In recent years, many Republicans have begun again to betray these values. That is why the GOP congressional majority is vulnerable in this November’s election.

The job of conservatives between now and then, and through the next election cycle, will be to take our party back—not to hand it over to Rudy Giuliani and Joe Lieberman


TOPICS: Editorial; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2006election; election2006; electionpresident; giuliani2008; giulianiisaliberal; joementum; lieberman; rudysnoconservative
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>>>>>In 1992, O’Beirne reports, Giuliani said Nelson Rockefeller represented “a tradition in the Republican Party I’ve worked to rekindle—the Rockefeller, Javits, Lefkowitz tradition.”

If Giuliani somehow gets elected POTUS, Rudy would become the most liberal President in US history. More liberal then Clinton, Carter, LBJ, JFK, Truman and FDR. And those are just the Democrats!

1 posted on 08/11/2006 8:33:14 AM PDT by Reagan Man
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To: Reagan Man

A Jew and an Italian walk into the White House.....


2 posted on 08/11/2006 8:34:18 AM PDT by wtc911 (You can't get there from here)
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To: Reagan Man

We don't MUMBLES one heart-beat away.


3 posted on 08/11/2006 8:35:14 AM PDT by AmericaUnited
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To: Reagan Man

Pretty scary !


4 posted on 08/11/2006 8:37:23 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (BTUs are my Beat.)
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To: Reagan Man

Oh please. Say what you like about Rudy, but he is definitely not to the left of Carter, Johnson, Clinton, and the like.

Seems like everyone who is not from New York has a pretty distorted picture of him. I wonder whose interest that is in? It's not in the GOP's interest, that's for sure. Rudy has big-time cojones and isn't at all afraid to take on the left-wing establishment, including the grievance groups and the education lobby, which is a hell of a lot more than can be said of almost any other GOP politician. And unlike too many in the GOP he is not confused about terrorism and you won't hear any "Religion of Peace" BS out of his mouth.


5 posted on 08/11/2006 8:39:18 AM PDT by thoughtomator (The worst thing about censorship is XXXXXXXXXXXXX)
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To: Reagan Man
who filibustered the nomination of John Bolton as UN ambassador, voted against the Bush tax cuts, and boasted an American Conservative Union rating of 0% in 2004

And round here suddenly LIEberman has become a "principled statesman." What a laugh.

6 posted on 08/11/2006 8:39:20 AM PDT by Huck (There is a $2.00 service charge for this tagline---do you still wish to proceed?)
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To: Reagan Man

Maybe not as Republicans.... But as leaders of a new party that would marginalize the hate-America Democrats and give us two parties that believe in defending America... that would be a good thing for the nation.


7 posted on 08/11/2006 8:39:22 AM PDT by Celtjew Libertarian ("I'm not a hawk or a dove. I just don't want my country to be a pigeon." -- Henry "Scoop" Jackson)
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To: Reagan Man
Kristol floated the idea that Lieberman—who filibustered the nomination of John Bolton as UN ambassador, voted against the Bush tax cuts, and boasted an American Conservative Union rating of 0% in 2004—could run as the next Republican vice presidential candidate, possibly on a ticket headed by former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani.

Did he really?!?!

I know the lead paint chips taste good Bill, but they are doing damage.

8 posted on 08/11/2006 8:39:50 AM PDT by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: Reagan Man

Yup, liberal socially but a hawk on the war, which is paramount at the moment. How 'bout Giuliani-Rice? Giuliani won my war heart forever when he told the Saudi's to take their ten million and put it where the sun doesn't shine. No tap dancing around the issue.


9 posted on 08/11/2006 8:40:26 AM PDT by toomuchcoffee
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To: Reagan Man

The job of conservatives between now and then, and through the next election cycle, will be to take our party back?

The job of conservatives is to come up with a powerhouse, winning candidate. Right now there are none.


10 posted on 08/11/2006 8:46:24 AM PDT by tkathy (Einstein: Condemnation without investigation is the height of ignorance.)
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To: Reagan Man
Giuliani/Gingrich
Giuliani/Rice
Giuliani/JEB!
11 posted on 08/11/2006 8:47:34 AM PDT by Fawn (BUILD A LONG TALL WALL)
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To: Fawn

OR vica verca!


12 posted on 08/11/2006 8:47:55 AM PDT by Fawn (BUILD A LONG TALL WALL)
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To: Reagan Man
Among other problems, which my fellow Freepers are no doubt pointing out, Guiliani/Leiberman would be regionally unbalanced and unable to get either nomination.
13 posted on 08/11/2006 8:48:59 AM PDT by gondramB
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To: thoughtomator

Rudy Guiliani has marched in lockstep with liberals on affirmative action, gay rights, gay marriage, gun control, school prayer, tuition tax credits, liberal immigration policies, and he's reinforced it, time and time again. Just about everytime Rudy opens his mouth, offensive liberal words come pouring out. As Mayor, Rudy put liberals in high-paid city jobs, an indication what a Rudy WH would look like. Here then is Rudy in his own words:

--The New York State Liberal Party on its endorsement of Rudy Giuliani for Mayor: "When the Liberal Party Policy Committee reviewed a list of key social issues of deep concern to progressive New Yorkers, we found that Rudy Giuliani agreed with the Liberal Party's stance on a majority of such issues. He agreed with the Liberal Party's views on affirmative action, gay rights, gun control, school prayer and tuition tax credits. As Mayor, Rudy Giuliani would uphold the Constitutional and legal rights to abortion." N.Y.S. Liberal Party Endorsement Statement of Candidate Giuliani for Mayor of New York City April 8, 1989

--On the Republican Party: "Mr. Rockefeller represented 'a tradition in the Republican Party' I've worked hard to re-kindle - the Rockefeller, Javits, Lefkowitz tradition." Rudy Giuliani told the New York Times July 9, 1992

--Village Voice Interview with Guiliani: He was asked: "What kind of Republican Is [Giuliani]? A Reagan Republican?" Giuliani pauses before answering: "I'm a Republican." Village Voice January 24, 1989

--On Attending 1996 Republican Convention: Rudy expressed his pleasure when he wasn't invited to the Republican National Convention in San Diego. "If I take three or four days off from city business, I want to do it for a substantive purpose. It didn't seem to me any substantive purpose could be served by going to the Republican convention." said Rudy. Rudy! An Investigative Biography of Rudolph Giuliani, Page 459, by Wayne Barrett

--On Barry Goldwater: Giuliani described John Kennedy as "great and brilliant. Barry Goldwater as an "incompetent, confused and sometimes idiotic man." New York Daily News, May 13, 1997

--On President Bill Clinton: Shortly before his last-minute endorsement of Bob Dole in the 1996 presidential election, Giuliani told the Post's Jack Newfield that "most of Clinton's policies are very similar to most of mine." Rudy! An Investigative Biography of Rudolph Giuliani, Wayne Barrett.

--The Daily News quoted Giuliani as saying March 1996: "Whether you talk about President Clinon, Senator Dole.... The country would be in very good hands in the hands of any of that group." An Investigative Biography of Rudolph Giuliani, Wayne Barrett.

--Revealing at one point that he was "open" to the idea of endorsing Clinton, Rudy said: "When I ran for mayor both times, '89 and '93, I promised people that I would be, if not bipartisan, at least open to the possibility of supporting Democrats." Rudy! An Investigative Biography of Rudolph Giuliani, Wayne Barrett, Page 459

---Rudy Giuliani Endorses Democratic Governor Mario Cuomo October 1994: "From my point of view as the mayor of New York City, the question that I have to ask is, ˜Who has the best chance in the next four years of successfully fighting for our interest? Who understands them, and who will make the best case for it?' Our future, our destiny is not a matter of chance. It's a matter of choice. My choice is Mario Cuomo." Rudy Giuliani: Emperor of the City book by Andrew Kirtzman, Page 133

--Reaction to Giuliani Endorsement of Cuomo: "Once again, Rudolph Giuliani has demonstrated that liberalism is the foundation of his political philosophy. While Giuliani sold a bill of goods to trusting Republicans and Reagan Democrats that he had abandoned his roots as a McGovern Democrat, in his endorsement of Mario Cuomo, Mr. Liberal himself, he has shown his true colors. Giuliani's argument that Cuomo will be better for the city has a hollow ring to it. Perhaps Rudy wants a governor who will sign over a blank check to constantly bail out the city from its fiscal problems. Giuliani knows, as do all New Yorkers, that Cuomo's liberal policies have been an economic disaster for our city and state." "But Rudy doesn't care. He has proven he will do anything to stop the election of a conservative Republican - but he won't succeed." Michael Long, Chairman N.Y.S. Conservative Party Press Statement, October 25, 1994

--"[Quite] frankly, you have to understand the fact that Rudy Giuliani was a McGovern Democrat, he was endorsed by the Liberal Party when he ran for Mayor. In his heart, he's a Democrat. He's paraded all over this country with Bill Clinton and, in fact, he's very comfortable with Mario Cuomo. But what Rudy Giuliani wants is to be bailed out in the city, in the mess he's in, and everybody understands very clearly in politics that they struck a deal, that Mario's going to continue to be the big spender, save Rudy the options of raising taxes by pouring money statewide into the City of New York and bailing it out. Quite frankly, I predict that he will join the Democratic Party." Interview with Michael Long, Chairman N.Y.S. Conservative Party, CNN Crossfire, October 25, 1994

--On Gay Domestic-Partner Rights: "National Republicans can lump it if they don't like his new domestic-partners bill, "Mayor Giuliani said yesterday. "I really haven't thought about what the impact is on Republican politics or national politics or Democratic politics," Giuliani said. The bill he submitted to the City Council would extend the benefits city agencies must grant to gay and lesbian couples. "I'm proud of it," Giuliani said of the bill. "I think it puts New York City ahead of other places in the country." New York Daily News, May 13, 1998

--On Gay-Rights/Gay Rights Bill: Giuliani favors extended civil-rights protection for gays and lesbians. Giuliani urged, by letter, to the New York Senate Majority Leader to pass the state's first ever gay rights bill, but did it privately. "I am writing to convey my support for the current legislation to prohibit discrimination against gays and lesbians, and to urge you to allow the bill onto the floor of the Senate for prompt action." ".......It is my belief that we can penalize discrimination [against gays] without creating any potentially objectionable special privileges or preferential treatment." New York Post, June 5, 1993

--Now Rudy Giuliani has jumped on the bandwagon, pressing the state Republican Party to release a gay-rights bill to the Senate floor for a vote. Marching in Sunday's [Gay Pride] parade, he has enlisted in the struggle to destroy the family. What a perfectly abominable springboard to seek high political office. Ray Kerrison New York Post, June 30, 1993

--Giuliani said homosexuality is "good and normal." quoting Ray Kerrison New York Post, July 7, 1989

--On Gay Domestic Partnership: "I have no objection to the concept of domestic partnership," said Rudy Giuliani on Informed Sources New York T.V. Show (PBS), May, 1992

--On Abortion: Leaflets distributed by the Giuliani campaign .... said that he opposes restrictions to Federal Medicaid financing for abortions and opposes the Hyde Amendment, which is intended to deny support for that financing. New York Times, June 18, 1993.

--Rudy Guiliani on abortion: "I'd give my daughter the money for it [an abortion]."

--"I never called for the overturning of Roe vs. Wade." Rudy Giuliani, New York Newsday, September 1, 1989

--As mayor, Rudy Giuliani will uphold a woman's right of choice to have an abortion. Giuliani will fund all city programs which provide abortions to insure that no woman is deprived of her right due to an inability to pay. He will oppose reductions in state funding. He will oppose making abortion illegal. New York Times, August 4, 1989

--On Partial Birth Abortion: Mr. Giuliani has said that New York State law should not be changed to outlaw the procedure. New York Times, January 7, 1998

--On School Choice: "He doesn't support tuition tax credits and vouchers." Sandra Feldman, President of N.Y.C. Teacher's Union, 1993

--On Taxes: [Giuliani] says ruling out a tax increase is "political pandering." Newsday, August 31, 1989

--On Rudy's 2008 candidacy: "That dream of Rudy Giuliani as the man of 2008 was a fantasy created in New York City, and not something that is an accepted reality to anyone who knows the national Republican Party or even Washington Republicans," said the former White House official. "That’s the joke of this." Ben Smith, page 17 The New York Observer 12/20/2004 edition.


14 posted on 08/11/2006 8:49:21 AM PDT by Graybeard58 (Remember and pray for SSgt. Matt Maupin - MIA/POW- Iraq since 04/09/04)
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Hypothetical - what if Guiliani looks like he gonna win the Republican nomination? What to conservatives do?


Related anecdote: I told my wife Guiliani was leading the polls. She said "for which party?"


15 posted on 08/11/2006 8:53:59 AM PDT by gondramB
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To: Reagan Man

Lieberman is forever Sore Loserman. He pulled this crap in 00 and now he's sore again. He needs to go away and new leadership needs to come in. Ned Lamont is a great target. He should do his thing. Freaking career pols who flip when they get the boot. Sheesh. Get a job or something.


16 posted on 08/11/2006 8:54:27 AM PDT by kinghorse (I calls them like I sees them)
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To: dead

Billy's Paint Chips or maybe Kristol-meth

Regardless, his seemingly as bonkers as the just video clipped drunken 7 months pregnant Brittany Spears.


17 posted on 08/11/2006 8:55:49 AM PDT by rod1
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To: Graybeard58

I could come up with a similiarly lengthy and one-sided list of left-wing positions held and advanced by our current President. Your analysis is crafted with a conclusion in mind and is not an accurate representation of Giuliani. It is easy to tell from your description of him that you are not at all familiar with New York or what Rudy had actually done as DA and mayor of the city.

But keep on believing the caricature you have created there, if it makes you feel good.


18 posted on 08/11/2006 8:55:51 AM PDT by thoughtomator (The worst thing about censorship is XXXXXXXXXXXXX)
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>>>>>Seems like everyone who is not from New York has a pretty distorted picture of him. Rudy has big-time cojones and isn't at all afraid to take on the left-wing establishment...

I was born in NYCity and raised in Brooklyn just like Rudy Giuliani. Grew up with many liberal Democrats, just like Rudy Giuliani. I know what makes Rudy tick. Giuliani is a northeast liberal Republican who joined the GOP to advance his career in federal law enforcement. Obviously Giuliani has many FReepers fooled into thinking he's some type of moderate centrist. Nothing could be further from the truth.

There are plenty of conservatives in the GOP who could lead America and prosecute the WOT just as well as PresBush. We don't need Rudy the liberal in the Oval Office. He offers conservatives nothing.

19 posted on 08/11/2006 8:56:38 AM PDT by Reagan Man (Conservatives don't support amnesty and conservatives don't vote for liberals!)
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To: Reagan Man

More like a Condi-Juan Williams or David Horowitz ticket

But only after Juan makes his complete Horowitz conversion


20 posted on 08/11/2006 8:57:54 AM PDT by rod1
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