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F-22 struts its stuff
F-16.net ^ | August 7, 2006 | Harold C. Hutchison

Posted on 08/08/2006 9:35:14 PM PDT by Excuse_My_Bellicosity

August 7, 2006 (by Harold C. Hutchison) - In recent exercises over Alaska, the F-22 has been put to the test. The results have been staggering. F-22s notched an impressive 108 to 0 "kill ratio" often when outnumbered by as much as 8 to 1 by simulated Su-27/30 aircraft.

In a very real sense, this is a preview of what is to come for forces facing the F-22. The F-15 and F-18 scored a 2:1 kill ratio against the simulated Flankers. This is not the only time that F-22s have shown their capabilities. Eight F-22s faced off against 33 F-15Cs earlier this year, and "shot down" all of the F-15Cs with no loss to itself.

Why does the F-22 dominate? The answer lies in the two biggest rules of air combat. The first rule is, "Speed is life." The F-22 has speed reaching nearly 2,600 kilometers per hour, and having the ability go faster (up to 1,830 kilometers per hour) than the speed of sound without using its afterburners. It is faster than a Eurofighter, Flanker, or Rafale. It can catch its target, or get out of a situation, should that rare occasion arise.

The second rule is, "Lose the sight, lose the fight." The F-22 is very capable of making an opponent "lose sight" of it often through its stealth features that cause enemy radars to perform poorly when looking for an F-22. This means the F-22 will "see" its opponent far sooner than it will be seen itself. In aerial combat, 80 percent of those planes killed in air-to-air combat never knew the opponent that killed them was there.

In a very real sense, the F-22 is the superfighter of the 21st Century. The F-22 is emerging as a long-range fighter (with a range of over 3200 kilometers), capable of fighting when outnumbered 4 to 1 (or more), and it also has significant edges in the areas of speed and stealth. The F-22 is proving to be a very reliable plane (with less than 7 percent of sorties being aborted). Some problems have emerged as the F-22 joins the operational force, most notably with a titanium boom on the first 80 planes, but these problems are being fixed. The F-22's high speed and performance also gives weapons like the AMRAAM and JDAM much more range than from the F-15E or F-16.

The F-22's biggest weakness seems to be its price tag ($361 million per plane). But it is quickly proving it is capable of clearing the skies against as many as eight opponents per F-22. When you consider that the Eurofighter costs $58 million per plane, and the Rafale pushes $66 million, while the F-35C pushes $61 million, the F-22 isn't that bad, particularly when two F-22s at $274 million can easily wipe out eight Eurofighters at $464 million.

While the U.S. Air Force may be engaging in some puffery when it comes to describing the F-22, the track record of new American combat aircraft over the last few decades, indicates that the F-22 is, indeed, an impressive combat aircraft. But, as with any warplane, it won't be until the aircraft actually experiences combat, that it's reputation can be established as more than just potential.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: f22; f22f22raptor; miltech; raptor
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1 posted on 08/08/2006 9:35:14 PM PDT by Excuse_My_Bellicosity
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To: Excuse_My_Bellicosity

F-22 Ping!! Soon to be home in Nellis AFB in Las Vegas. (Hey, if the Air Force gets to own half our frickin state, the least they can do it base the coolest new planes here)


2 posted on 08/08/2006 9:40:09 PM PDT by bpjam (Remember our fallen Marines in Beirut. Hezbollah deserves no peace.)
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To: Excuse_My_Bellicosity

What we need to do is build a few copies of the beast to fly, then build hundreds of mockups to park on runways and flightdecks for satellite photos to pick up...


3 posted on 08/08/2006 9:40:43 PM PDT by Onelifetogive (* Sarcasm tag ALWAYS required. For some Freepers, sarcasm can NEVER be obvious enough.)
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To: Excuse_My_Bellicosity
The F-22's biggest weakness seems to be its price tag ($361 million per plane). But it is quickly proving it is capable of clearing the skies against as many as eight opponents per F-22. When you consider that the Eurofighter costs $58 million per plane, and the Rafale pushes $66 million, while the F-35C pushes $61 million, the F-22 isn't that bad, particularly when two F-22s at $274 million can easily wipe out eight Eurofighters at $464 million.

The numbers don't compute but who cares? I like it.

4 posted on 08/08/2006 9:41:56 PM PDT by paul51 (11 September 2001 - Never forget)
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To: Excuse_My_Bellicosity
The F-22's biggest weakness seems to be its price tag ($361 million per plane). But it is quickly proving it is capable of clearing the skies against as many as eight opponents per F-22. When you consider that the Eurofighter costs $58 million per plane, and the Rafale pushes $66 million, while the F-35C pushes $61 million, the F-22 isn't that bad, particularly when two F-22s at $274 million can easily wipe out eight Eurofighters at $464 million.

This author must have studied the new math since 361*2 does not equal 274. This plane is five times more expensive than the next best competitor, but hey it's capabilities still validate it's price tag, IMO.
5 posted on 08/08/2006 9:42:58 PM PDT by phoenix0468 (http://www.mylocalforum.com -- Go Speak Your Mind.)
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The F-22 is one awesome aircraft.
6 posted on 08/08/2006 9:43:04 PM PDT by mazack
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To: Excuse_My_Bellicosity

F-15's have been around 30 years and I don't believe they've had a combat loss to date (If I'm not mistaken.) Them's big shoes to fill.


7 posted on 08/08/2006 9:46:07 PM PDT by Sax (You Done Tore Out My Heart And Stomped That Sucker Flat)
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To: Excuse_My_Bellicosity

I think it's ironic to consider that it may actually have problems against tiny aerial drones (?).


8 posted on 08/08/2006 9:50:36 PM PDT by SteveMcKing
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To: mazack

Obligatory pic...........FRegards

9 posted on 08/08/2006 9:50:52 PM PDT by gonzo (I'm as confused as a hungry baby in a topless club...)
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To: bpjam

Two cool F-22 Raptor websites......

http://www.f22-raptor.com/

http://www.f22fighter.com/


11 posted on 08/08/2006 9:51:00 PM PDT by NorCalRepub
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To: Sax

You are right. 104 to 0 kill ratio. Although, there was an accident involving two Japanese models in which an AIM-9 on one malfunctioned during training and ended up shooting the other down.


12 posted on 08/08/2006 9:52:27 PM PDT by mazack
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To: Sax
F-15's have been around 30 years and I don't believe they've had a combat loss to date
It has never been defeated in the air, but I believe (if I'm not mistaken) we lost a couple in the first Gulf war to ground fire of some sort.

Cordially,
GE
13 posted on 08/08/2006 9:54:07 PM PDT by GrandEagle
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To: Methadras

Any and all asians? Even ones born in this country? Or would you like to rephrase that statement?


14 posted on 08/08/2006 9:55:06 PM PDT by phoenix0468 (http://www.mylocalforum.com -- Go Speak Your Mind.)
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To: Excuse_My_Bellicosity

Here's a link to a youtube that's pretty neat on the Raptor.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ku_9Q6dZJFE&search=f22%20raptor%20air%20force%20fighter%20fighters%20jets%20planes


15 posted on 08/08/2006 9:55:25 PM PDT by jazusamo (DIANA IREY for Congress, PA 12th District: Retire murtha.)
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To: Excuse_My_Bellicosity

lets just cut out about 1/2 the money we spend on welfare and boom,theres the money.at least you get a return on the planes:air superiority.welfare:i cant think of it gimme a minute,ah,ah still nothing


16 posted on 08/08/2006 9:57:30 PM PDT by HANG THE EXPENSE (Defeat liberalism, its the right thing to do for America.)
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To: Excuse_My_Bellicosity

Indeed - truly a Raptor. A world superior fighter. However, the price tag makes me shudder. We're moving into an era where "cost attrition" in combat is becoming increasingly important, and assymetric war opponents cannot easily be engaged by heavily funded weapons above.







17 posted on 08/08/2006 9:57:44 PM PDT by rjp2005 (It was called the Cold War)
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To: Excuse_My_Bellicosity

And no one thinks USAF juiced those results in order to better sell a reluctant Congress on this plane?


18 posted on 08/08/2006 9:59:13 PM PDT by DesScorp
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To: gonzo
I want one.
19 posted on 08/08/2006 9:59:57 PM PDT by msnimje (Uni-FAIL - UN peace keeping force in Lebanon has lived up to its name.)
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To: Excuse_My_Bellicosity

Last fall, I read an article in Smithsonian Air and Space magazine about one of the first squadrons to get the F-22. The pilots were thrilled that they'd finally gotten approval to skirmish against each other, because taking on the F-15s was too boring.


20 posted on 08/08/2006 10:00:51 PM PDT by ReignOfError
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