Posted on 08/04/2006 1:39:32 PM PDT by jmc1969
I see Hagel as one who is unaware of Pre- WWII history\nor does he seem to uinderstand the strategic goal of pre-empting the formation of an Islamofascist Axis from Lebanon to India, and the effect it would have , if formed, on the whole world.
Hagel's misplaced liberalism is not only untimely, but ill conceived, and hardly what the nation needs at this time.
It took Winston Churchill several years of consistent communication to convince New Deal Roosevelt that there would soon not be any way to have a free Society if the Fascists took Europe, and then readjusted sights on America.
The current Islamofascist movement seeks to control nations, form an axis and conquer the world into their own image. The issues that Hagel canvases, as do Buckley and Will, are from the Ivory Towers of Academe, where the cries of the molested do not reach. I prefer the musings of Charles Krauthammer , and Ed Koch, who support President Bush.
The idiocy of Hagel's ( Buckley and Will) approach will become apparent as we move along in time, just as the idiocy of the Academic crowd and the liberals, Including then Ambassador to Britain, Joseph Kennedy, and the heroic Charles Lindburg, both who thought the Fascists of Europe were merely seeking self determination, and were not really that bad.
Too bad for Hagel , Buckley and Will. They are on the wrong side of History, and in the next few years, the Churchillian Case,, as I call it, will have to be made to the American Public, if not sooner:
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_P._Kennedy,_Sr. *********************************************
Anti-Semitism
Kennedy was (for a while) a close friend with leading Jewish lawyer Felix Frankfurter, who helped Kennedy get his sons into the London School of Economics, where they worked with Harold Laski, a leading Jewish intellectual and prominent Socialist.[4] While holding positive attitudes towards individual Jews, Kennedy's views of the Jews as a people were, by his own admission, overwhelmingly negative.
According to Harvey Klemmer, who served as one of Kennedy's embassy aides, Kennedy habitually referred to Jews as "kikes or sheenies." Kennedy allegedly told Klemmer that "[some] individual Jews are all right, Harvey, but as a race they stink. They spoil everything they touch."[5] When Klemmer returned from a trip to Germany and reported the pattern of vandalism and assault on Jews by Nazis, Kennedy responded "well, they brought it on themselves."[6]
On June 13, 1938, Kennedy met with Herbert von Dirksen, the German ambassador in London, who reported to Berlin that Kennedy had told him that "it was not so much the fact that we want to get rid of the Jews that was so harmful to us, but rather the loud clamor with which we accompanied this purpose. [Kennedy] himself fully understood our Jewish policy."[7] Kennedy's main concern with such violent acts against German Jews as Kristallnacht was that they generated bad publicity in the West for the Nazi regime, a concern he communicated in a letter to Charles Lindbergh.[8]
Kennedy had a close friendship with Nancy Astor, who shared (and perhaps surpassed) his hatred of the Jews; the correspondence between them is replete with anti-Semitic tropes.[9] As Edward Renehan notes:
As fiercely anti-Communist as they were anti-Semitic, Kennedy and Astor looked upon Adolf Hitler as a welcome solution to both of these "world problems" (Nancy's phrase). No member of the so-called "Cliveden Set" (the informal cabal of appeasers who met frequently at Nancy Astor's palatial home) seemed much concerned with the dilemma faced by Jews under the Reich. Astor wrote Kennedy that Hitler would have to do more than just "give a rough time" to "the killers of Christ" before she'd be in favor of launching "Armageddon to save them. The wheel of history swings round as the Lord would have it. Who are we to stand in the way of the future?" Kennedy replied that he expected the "Jew media" in the United States to become a problem, that "Jewish pundits in New York and Los Angeles" were already making noises contrived to "set a match to the fuse of the world."[10]
By August 1940, Kennedy worried that a third term for Roosevelt meant war; as Leamer reports, "Joe believed that Roosevelt, Churchill, the Jews and their allies would manipulate America into approaching Armageddon."[11] Nevertheless Kennedy campaigned for Roosevelt. Even during the height of the conflict, however, Kennedy remained "more wary of" prominent American Jews such as Felix Frankfurter than he was of Hitler.[12]
Kennedy told reporter Joe Dinneen:
It is true that I have a low opinion of some Jews in public office and in private life. That does not mean that I... believe they should be wiped off the face of the earth... Jews who take an unfair advantage of the fact that theirs is a persecuted race do not help much... Publicizing unjust attacks upon the Jews may help to cure the injustice, but continually publicizing the whole problem only serves to keep it alive in the public mind. When Dinneen wrote The Kennedy Family, he was pressured to remove these quotations from the book by John F. Kennedy himself. Dineen complied.[13]
***************************************** Hagel is a pantywaist, hardly the kind of man our nation needs at this time. And just below the surface, I also suspect that he is an anti-semite as well.
This POS is running for President in 2008? Is he smoking crack?
No kidding.
You've been a conservative since you were in the 6th grade?
Sounds as if you're still in the 6th grade.
You wouldn't be dissing the Nam vets that way if you sitting on a bar stool next to me right now.
BTW, what era did you serve in, hero?
See my posts 22 and 25 for who I was thinking of.
Don't make me laugh. I think he's worse than McCain, if that's possible.
bttt
Oh...I see.
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