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1 posted on 07/30/2006 2:46:48 AM PDT by Clive
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2 posted on 07/30/2006 2:47:24 AM PDT by Clive
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To: Clive
Simple question to those who want a ceasefire:

Why?

The only possible answer is: To benefit the side that's currently losing.

And which side is that?

The bad guys.

Yes, absurdly simplistic, black and white, whatever. But the answer has the advantage of being true.

3 posted on 07/30/2006 2:53:20 AM PDT by Darkwolf377 (Former Catholic, current atheist pro-lifer)
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To: Clive
Hezbollah was able to launch a sneak attack on an Israeli military outpost from southern Lebanon, kidnapping two soldiers and killing eight others. And that, everyone agrees, is what started this latest confrontation.

Too often, media accounts conveniently forget about the eight soldiers that were killed, implying this is all over the kidnapped ones.

Excellent editorial. Israel "gave peace a chance," and all it got was more war.

6 posted on 07/30/2006 3:15:01 AM PDT by L.N. Smithee (Hassan Nasrallah needs to be kicked in Hezbollahs)
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To: Clive; jude24; OrthodoxPresbyterian; P-Marlowe; blue-duncan; Buggman
Will their response have to be "proportionate"? What does that mean

In "just war" proportional means that the violence inflicted must be proportional to the injury inflicted.

It is not used that way at all when the media, politicians, etc. discuss this Israeli/Hezbollah conflict. They seem to want folks to believe that it means: "the violence inflicted cannot exceed the violence received."

If, for example, the enemy were to steal a dog from an Israeli kibbutz, that would not justify nuking Beirut. There is a minimal injury inflicted and a maximum violence in response.

Where does kidnapping, killing, and rocket attacks fall on the injury inflicted scale? Well, it clearly falls at least into the category of low-intensity conflict, greater than the normal "war except in name" that terrorists use all over the world.

Therefore, Israel is correct to respond with a low-scale war response to a mid-scale war response in order to rid themselves of those warring against them.

8 posted on 07/30/2006 3:37:05 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Supporting the troops means praying for them to WIN!)
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To: Clive

/Good Post, this should be read by all Americans and then let them continue their cry for "cease fire". There is no negotiating with terrorists. Amen.


9 posted on 07/30/2006 3:37:45 AM PDT by gakrak ("A wise man's heart is his right hand, But a fool's heart is at his left" Eccl 10:2)
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To: Clive

Whe these weapons are driven by in the trucks that haul them where was the peacekeeping force? Did they think it was furniture in those trucks? Did they ever attempt to stop the inporting of rockets into Lebanon? Did the Lebanese government ever try to stop them? You cannot haul rockets from Iran to lebanon in total secrecy. Where was the UN? Observers??? What were they observing??


16 posted on 07/30/2006 5:04:54 AM PDT by sgtbono2002 (The fourth estate is a fifth column.)
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To: Clive
I was encouraged last night to hear Fred Barnes say that Israel taking care of Hezbollah now was better that dealing with them after Israel bombed Iran's nuclear facilities.

I think Iran knows this whole thing was a mistake on their part because the force they had mustered on Israel's northern border to attack Israel after the nuclear bombing is now being wiped out. They gave Israel the excuse Israel was probably lookin for anyway.

BTW, Syria ought not make one mistake either. It's easier for Israel to deal with them one at at time than all at once.

Muslims are stupid people.

17 posted on 07/30/2006 5:12:27 AM PDT by blam
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Wow.


18 posted on 07/30/2006 5:26:50 AM PDT by Valin (http://www.irey.com/)
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To: Clive
The Toronto Sun gets it.
19 posted on 07/30/2006 5:31:27 AM PDT by Gritty (Have our foes found a new way to win by seeking victory through demoralization alone?-J Podhoretz)
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To: Clive
Agreed. Talk of a ceasefire is nonsensical without first defining the mission of a multinational force and the ground rules under which it would operate. There is no such consensus either about the mission or whether the proposed force would have effective powers to disarm Hezbollah. Without an agreeement on the above points, seeking a ceasefire would be a complete waste of time. Notice the voices that grow loudest in their call for Israel to submit to a ceasefire never actually spell out they would end the violence if there was one in place. And to have lasting peace, all the parties have to want it. It can't be imposed on them.

(Go Israel, Go! Slap 'Em Down Hezbullies.)

20 posted on 07/30/2006 5:36:33 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: Clive; Grampa Dave
It must be bewildering to work in the MSM while being capable of such clear observation.

Doesn't he know that wishful thinking can determine any outcome? Can't he see that babbling for peace makes one righteous enough that one's inherent whizdumb will convince Muslims raised from the cradle to be psychotic killers to just lay down their arms and make nice with their Jewish therapists?

Five more years with the rest of the morons in the newpaper business and this guy will be screaming for the exits.

23 posted on 07/30/2006 6:19:47 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (Islam offers three choices: fight, submit, or die.)
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To: Clive
There will be peace... when the last radical muzzie (and that includes huzzies; just a flavor difference) is dead and the mechanism that produced them (primarily Wahhabi schools) is dismanteled.
26 posted on 07/30/2006 7:20:03 AM PDT by upchuck (Me wish for Democrats to die? No, I just want them to develop Tourette's Syndrome. ~American Quilter)
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To: Clive

I believe this would significantly improve our strategic position in the War on Terror.

We should destroy the Iranian oil industry. By Bombing all oil transportation facilities, pipelines, storage tanks, tanker trucks, refinery’s etc… we can cripple the funding of numerous terrorist organizations, Hezbollah, Hama’s, Sadr’s militia, Syria, as well as make it more difficult for Iran to buy missiles and such from North Korea, China, and Russia.
It would remove Iran’s threat that if we attack they will shut off the oil. Making the threat ridiculous and demonstrating that they are a single product state and without oil, and no other product that the world wants, they are nothing. Additionally, by declaring that we will destroy any reconstituting oil industry as long as the Mullacracy remains in charge, we can focus the Iranian’s blame for the situation, on the Theocracy and their support of Terrorism.
This will also bring home to all the other oil producing countries like Venezuela, Libya, Saudi Arabia, the Gulf States, etc… that they are very vulnerable to the same tactic.
In addition, this will gain us time for the Iraqi’s to stand on their own, and free up troops we would need if we have to go into Iran, North Korea or somewhere else.
Sure the price of gas will rise, but this will also demonstrate to the world that the USA is not in Iraq for the Oil, and the onus can be shifted on to the Democrats for not allowing more domestic production.
“It’s not the control of the spice but the power to destroy the spice that is the real power.”
It has recently been said that the nuclear production facilities in Iran are so deep underground that we can’t reach them with conventional weapons. Perhaps so, but maybe we can starve those facilities of funds. Nuclear weapons are terribly expensive to build, and if Iran now needs all its money to repair vital life supporting infrastructure, it may have to slow or stop its attempt to build an atomic bomb.
Finally, Iran is a state sponsor of Terrorists, it must be punished, and it must be seen to be punished. Iran’s continued sponsorship of terror is a slap in America’s and President Bush’s face, and it must be answered.


34 posted on 07/30/2006 6:14:46 PM PDT by Eagle74 (From time to time the tree of liberty must be watered with the blood of tyrants and patriots)
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