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The McCains and War: Like Father, Like Son
TIME Magazine ^
| July 29, 2006
| MASSIMO CALABRESI
Posted on 07/29/2006 11:54:19 AM PDT by West Coast Conservative
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To: Alexander Rubin
Sorry, I think of the word schizophrenic when I think of McCain.
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posted on
07/29/2006 1:47:00 PM PDT
by
raybbr
(You think it's bad now - wait till the anchor babies start to vote.)
To: rock58seg
No way ?????? When you look across the ballot and see Billary you might think again!!!! Never say never
42
posted on
07/29/2006 1:47:24 PM PDT
by
jayadams
To: jayadams
Not even then would I vote for McCain. Hillary is evil but McCain is freaking insane. I wouldn't vote for either one of them EVER.
43
posted on
07/29/2006 2:06:05 PM PDT
by
packrat35
(guest worker/day worker=SlaveMart)
To: jayadams
I was called recently by and RNC volunteer looking for a donation. When I expressed my dissatisfaction with the way the party is moving, the monstrosity of the Senate immigration legislation, the spending, the lack of interest in securing our borders...the volunteer went into "talking points" mode, and basically said I'd have to put up with anything the Republicans said I had to put up with because the alternative was Hillary.
I could almost see him waving a Hillary sock puppet and squeaking "Boo! Boo!"
I'm not scared of Hillary, not enough to be completely taken for granted by the Republicans. Joe Sixpack is being treated the way the Democrats treat blacks. Joe Sixpack isn't going to go along with that.
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posted on
07/29/2006 2:10:30 PM PDT
by
Mamzelle
To: Jameison
I think a whole bunch of folks are jumping the shark. Not only is it still early in the debate for 2008, once conservatives better understand Giuliani`s full political record, they'll find him even more unacceptable then McCain. I seriously doubt Rudy can win enough GOP primaries to secure the nomination. Hopefully Republicans will have a choice of several solid conservative candidates to choose from, beyond McCain and/or Giuliani.
A social liberal like Rudy has no chance with conservatives here in El Paso County Colorado/Colorado Springs. They've no intention of voting for Rudy. I won't vote for Rudy either.
BTW. The recent Gallup poll you mentioned, was the same poll that showed 61% of Republicans find Dick Cheney unaccpetable as a candidate for 2008. LOL Right!
45
posted on
07/29/2006 2:22:05 PM PDT
by
Reagan Man
(Conservatives don't support amnesty and conservatives don't vote for liberals!)
To: Reagan Man
"once conservatives better understand Giuliani`s full political record, they'll find him even more unacceptable then McCain."
Doubt it.
I pretty much cover a fair number of conservative blogs from Powerline to Townhall to Instapundit, Hugh Hewitt, etc.
There is hardly any of them that have anything good to say about McCain, and they all pretty much know exactly who McCain is, and who Rudy is.
Just look at the polls here a few weeks ago for 2008, where McCain got a measly 2.7%! And FR is as conservative as they come.
McCain has spent the past 6 years really annoying conservatives, while pandering to the drive-by media.
He is simply paying the price for his own actions.
But hey, feel free to live in dreamland.
46
posted on
07/29/2006 2:34:33 PM PDT
by
Jameison
To: Reagan Man
"A social liberal like Rudy has no chance with conservatives here in El Paso County Colorado/Colorado Springs"
That's not what the reality on the ground today says.
Conservatives have consistently chosen Rudy even over the more Conservative McCain.
"The recent Gallup poll you mentioned, was the same poll that showed 61% of Republicans find Dick Cheney unaccpetable as a candidate for 2008"
Might have something to do with the fact that Cheney is not running, and will never run.
Same reason Jeb has been running low in most polls for 2008 as well.
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posted on
07/29/2006 2:40:23 PM PDT
by
Jameison
To: Alexander Rubin
To: Jameison
Appears we're on two different wave lengths. I've lived in El Paso County/Colorado Springs for 30 years. I know the politics of Colorado. Grew up in NYCity, Brooklyn. I know all about the liberal politics of the Big Apple too. I know what makes Rudy tick. And I have a fair amount of contact with conservatives from California to Florida, and in flyover country USA. Most conservatives I speak to won't vote for a liberal in the GOP primary. That includes Rudy Giuliani.
Many of the so-called "popular" conservative bloggers I've come across, are actually libertarian minded folks or ex-Democrats who can be catagorized as neocons and RINO`s. Not saying they like McCain. While they might be more forgiving of a social liberal like Rudy, mainstream Reagan conservatives aren't under any illusion about Rudy`s political record.
If Giuliani were fortunate to get the GOP nomination and become POTUS, he would be the most liberal President in US history. More liberal then Clinton, Carter, LBJ, JFK, Truman and FDR. And that's just the Democrats. LOL
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posted on
07/29/2006 3:03:44 PM PDT
by
Reagan Man
(Conservatives don't support amnesty and conservatives don't vote for liberals!)
To: Reagan Man
"Many of the so-called "popular" conservative bloggers I've come across, are actually libertarian minded folks or ex-Democrats who can be catagorized as neocons and RINO`s."?
Neocons or RINO's?
The 2 couldn't be more apart.
And I wouldn't call Powerline, Hugh Hewitt or Captain's Quarters etc either necon or RINO.
They all pretty much fall into mainstream conservatism in this country.
And every poll from conservatives has pretty much confirmed what the conservative blogs, Rush Limbaugh, conservative talk radio etc have been saying : Conservatives don't have much use for McCain.
I think you are living in dreamland.
50
posted on
07/29/2006 3:18:53 PM PDT
by
Jameison
To: Reagan Man
"Most conservatives I speak to won't vote for a liberal in the GOP primary. That includes Rudy Giuliani. "
I am sure you know plenty of people. It still doesn't cover what practically every poll taken this year for 2008 covers.
And practically all of them have Rdy not only beating McCain, they have him beating Hitelry as well.
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posted on
07/29/2006 3:21:35 PM PDT
by
Jameison
To: Reagan Man
If you're taking a tally, I'd go Giuliani over McCain...if for no other reason than that pesky little emotional instability thing that nags McCain.
52
posted on
07/29/2006 3:33:25 PM PDT
by
ErnBatavia
(Meep Meep)
To: Jameison
Lets return you to reality. Conservative reality.
>>>>Conservatives don't have much use for McCain. I think you are living in dreamland.
If I was you, I'd work on my reading comprehesion skills. Never said conservatives approve of McCain. The issue has been Giuliani vs McCain, and in that matchup conservatives would reluctantly choose McCain over the liberal Giulaini. The Christian conservatives who constitute the Religious Right of the GOP, aren't about to vote for a pro-abortion, pro-homo, pro-gun control, pro-illegal, northeast liberal from NYCity, with a questionable record on matters realted to fiscal responsibility.
>>>>Neocons or RINO's?
The 2 couldn't be more apart.
You're sure about that?
The textbook definition of "neocon", aka."neoconservative" is,
***a former liberal espousing political conservatism
***a conservative who advocates the assertive promotion of democracy and U.S. national interest in international affairs including through military means
Irving Kristol is a neocon. In fact, Irving Kristol is the Father of American neoconservatism. A former liberal, who calls himself a conservative, but one who still supports the New Deal policies of FDR. His son, Bill Kristol, is also a neocon. The latter Kristol supports foreign policy adventurism that spreads democracy through heavy handed military force. Both Kristol's advocate and support big government Republicanism, along with being pro-abortion.
Both men could be classified as RINO`s. Especially the elder Kristol.
Charles Krauthammer is another neocon, aka.libertarian.
Neocon, libertarian and liberal Republicans ALL have been classiifed as RINO`s at one time or another.
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posted on
07/29/2006 3:51:38 PM PDT
by
Reagan Man
(Conservatives don't support amnesty and conservatives don't vote for liberals!)
To: ErnBatavia
I know McCain isn't popular around FR. Only 39% of FReepers supported him versus Hillary Rotten in a recent FR POll Question. While 69% of FReepers supported RudyG against Hillary.
If by emotional instability you mean, McCain has a bad temper, I agree. If you mean McCain is insane or crazy, I disagree. I have problems with McCain based on his support for CFR and liberal immigration reform that promotes amnesty. I also didn't like his torture amendment in the last defense appropriations bill. OTOH, Bush signed off on CFR and McCain's torture amnedment. Bush and McCain also agree on liberal immigration reform policy.
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posted on
07/29/2006 4:02:06 PM PDT
by
Reagan Man
(Conservatives don't support amnesty and conservatives don't vote for liberals!)
To: freema; Alexander Rubin
"Hey Salem, McCain's son is joining the Marines and going to war. Better alert some of the FReeper Marines and Marine veterans, to give him the ol' virtual "Semper Fi"."
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posted on
07/29/2006 4:32:40 PM PDT
by
Salem
(FREE REPUBLIC - Fighting to win within the Arena of the War of Ideas! So get in the fight!)
To: Salem; 2111USMC; 2nd Bn, 11th Mar; 68 grunt; A.A. Cunningham; ASOC; AirForceBrat23; Ajnin; ...
Sweet of you to think of them, Salem.
But I ping with one condition.
Don't you dare fight each other over this one.
I can't have ya'll mad at each other.
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posted on
07/29/2006 4:43:31 PM PDT
by
freema
(Marine FRiend, 1stCuz2xRemoved, Mom, Aunt, Sister, Friend, Wife, Daughter, Niece)
To: freema
The way I see it, once he enters basic training, he belongs to the Marines, no matter what his family background or connections are.
I know his DI's won't care! LOL!!
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posted on
07/29/2006 5:12:04 PM PDT
by
Salem
(FREE REPUBLIC - Fighting to win within the Arena of the War of Ideas! So get in the fight!)
To: West Coast Conservative
Of the 178,000 active-duty Marines in the world,...,
It just doesn't seem fair.
A lousy 178k ? That's it ?
They are everywhere, they strike respect & fear wherever they go.
The ability to inflict so much pounding, punishing, painful damage lies in the hands of so few ?
It just doesn't seem fair.
Semper Fi and Semper Fi to Sen. McCains son.
To: freema
"... the Bush Administration is struggling to reduce troop strength by the end of the year."
The goons just don't get it.
GWB with continued conviction says we shall draw down our forces based on the field commanders of the ground. Quite simple really. Struggle? Dopes.
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posted on
07/29/2006 5:44:32 PM PDT
by
Marine_Uncle
(Honor must be earned)
To: Reagan Man
If by emotional instability you mean, McCain has a bad temper, I agree.
That'd be it...but he can't control it; that's the big problem - I do NOT want him to move beyond the senate.
I'm sitting out the California gubernatorial race, because I cannot punch the chad for Arnold - all is lost in this state, anyhow........but I really would have to think about a theoretical McCain versus Kerry or Gore (Hillary won't be the nominee - bookmark it), and probably hold my nose while I voted.
Bottom line: McCain is not presidential material.
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posted on
07/29/2006 5:55:55 PM PDT
by
ErnBatavia
(Meep Meep)
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