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Survey reveals Muslim views on violence (They approve)
The Jakarta Post ^ | July 28 | Ridwan Max Sijabat

Posted on 07/28/2006 12:22:59 PM PDT by PghBaldy

Up to 1.3 percent of Indonesian Muslims nationwide admit using violence against people or objects they consider contradictory to their beliefs, a survey found, with more than 40 percent ready to wage war for their faith.

Acts of violence in the survey on religion and violence by the Center for Islamic and Social Studies (PPIM) ranged from 0.1 percent of respondents admitting their involvement in demolishing or arson of churches constructed without official permits, to 1.3 percent who committed "intimidation" against those they considered had blasphemed Islam.

The survey spanned 1,200 Muslims in 30 of the country's 33 provinces.

"The percentage looks very small but it is very high in its real figure when you note that 85 percent, or 200 million, of the country's 230 million population are Muslims," PPIM researcher Jajat Burhanudin said Thursday during the release of the results.

However, other scholars said violence was traditionally widespread in local cultures, and it was unfair to blame Islam for its prevalence.

The survey, conducted from 2001 to March 2006, found 43.5 percent of respondents were ready to wage war on threatening non-Muslim groups, 40 percent would use violence against those blaspheming Islam and 14.7 percent would tear down churches without official permits.

"This condition has helped terrorists easily recruit new comrades and makes the country a fertile ground for sectarian radicalism," Jajat said.

He added that a simultaneous study on the reasons for the results found Islamic teaching and Islamism made the most significant contributions to violent behavior, both in the domestic and public spheres.

"The more Muslims give their support for certain Islamic teachings legitimizing the use of violence, the more violence will happen."

He noted that between 30 percent and 58 percent approved of amputation of the left hand for thieves and the stoning to death of rapists, as well as other tenets of sharia law, and opposed the election of non-Muslims for president.

Simplistic understanding of Islamic teachings and the introduction of so-called "yellow books", detailing Islamic law and regulations, in Islamic boarding schools contributed to the emergence of hard-line groups, the issuance of sharia bylaws and sowed hostility toward non-Muslims, he said.

"To end this, the government must take strategic steps to campaign for pluralism among the people and enforce the law to ensure legal certainty."

But Islamic scholar Azyumardi Azra said the roots of the violence could not be blamed entirely on Islam, but also on the vengeful nature of some local cultures and common social and political problems, such as poverty, unemployment and political instability.

"The country's self-image of kindness, tolerance and hospitality must be questioned because local cultures are very close to violence," he said.

Although there has been increasing unrest since the end of authoritarian rule in 1998 and the dawning of the reform era, he said there were numerous ethnic conflicts since the 1950s.

Azyumardi, also rector of Syarif Hidayatullah State Islamic University in Ciputat, Tangerang, suggested the reformulation of all Islamic teachings that could be construed as promoting violence and the development of democracy through a campaign for pluralism and tolerance.

"Besides, the country is in dire need of a strong government to create political stability and good governance and ensure the rule of law, while the development of democracy should not end with the general elections and local elections,"

He warned that religious radicalism would become a dangerous threat unless good governance was created, laws were enforced and old religious doctrines were reformulated.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: crushislam; indonesia; islam; jihad; muslim; sharia; wot
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Indonesia is the most populous Muslim country.
1 posted on 07/28/2006 12:23:01 PM PDT by PghBaldy
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To: PghBaldy

working link: http://tinyurl.com/zqbmx


2 posted on 07/28/2006 12:28:47 PM PDT by NativeNewYorker (Freepin' Jew Boy)
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He noted that between 30 percent and 58 percent approved of amputation of the left hand for thieves and the stoning to death of rapists, as well as other tenets of sharia law...

Amputation seems a little harsh to me, stoning rapists to death, I'm OK with.

3 posted on 07/28/2006 12:29:31 PM PDT by MAexile (Bats left, votes right)
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To: PghBaldy

Next poll: Vegetarian views on vegetables (They approve)


4 posted on 07/28/2006 12:29:43 PM PDT by Darkwolf377 (http://www.savethesoldiers.com/)
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To: PghBaldy
"40 percent ready to wage war for their faith."

Not surprising I would bet a similar number of Christians would feel the same way.
5 posted on 07/28/2006 12:30:21 PM PDT by xpertskir (McCain Lieberman '08(democratic ticket))
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To: PghBaldy

Stoning the rapists wouldn't be so bad if it weren't so, well, conditional. Its ok to rape kaffir women, or women conquered in war on behalf of Islam.


6 posted on 07/28/2006 12:31:04 PM PDT by Pearls Before Swine (Is /sarc really needed?)
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Population of Indonesia is approximately 220 million.

So 1.3% or approx. 3 million are dangerous psychotics and 40% or approx. 88 million are dangerous religious fanatics.
7 posted on 07/28/2006 12:31:45 PM PDT by A message (We who care, Can Not Fail)
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To: PghBaldy

I'm shocked! Who would have thought such a thing? /Sarc......


8 posted on 07/28/2006 12:34:06 PM PDT by Center Line Theory
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To: Darkwolf377

Bears defecating in the woods also approve of veges and violence......


9 posted on 07/28/2006 12:36:25 PM PDT by NorCalRepub
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To: PghBaldy
The survey, conducted from 2001 to March 2006, found 43.5 percent of respondents were ready to wage war on threatening non-Muslim groups, 40 percent would use violence against those blaspheming Islam and 14.7 percent would tear down churches without official permits.

And we allow these vermin into our country because?

10 posted on 07/28/2006 12:38:27 PM PDT by ncountylee (Dead terrorists smell like victory)
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To: PghBaldy

It's an okay religion for people eating grasshoppers in the middle of a desert. I could see it as a step up for the worst of the worst off. But messing with us is just crazy. We are on the other end of the spectrum. Or maybe not.

Last night's Nightline about the rampant instances of teen diabetes from eating oneself to death was instructive in that it showed a good portion of our population is as lost in the wilderness as the starving nomad in the Sahara. Our religious teachings don't seem to be sticking to these folks re gluttony and such sins.


11 posted on 07/28/2006 12:39:49 PM PDT by kinghorse
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To: kinghorse

Please tell me you're not serious.


12 posted on 07/28/2006 12:45:58 PM PDT by BigBobber
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To: Pearls Before Swine
Stoning the rapists wouldn't be so bad if it weren't so, well, conditional. Its ok to rape kaffir women, or women conquered in war on behalf of Islam.

Gosh, Islam seems to have so many "outs" for bad behavior.

13 posted on 07/28/2006 12:46:41 PM PDT by MAexile (Bats left, votes right)
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To: PghBaldy
BREAKING NEWS!

MICHAEL MOORE IS FAT! NEWS AT 11!

14 posted on 07/28/2006 12:47:57 PM PDT by Screamname (Batman and Godzilla : When will they fight?)
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To: PghBaldy; All
Mohammed, The Mad Poet Quoted....
15 posted on 07/28/2006 12:49:48 PM PDT by PsyOp (In this one enemy we strike at the center of gravity… - Clauswitz, On War, 1832.)
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"He warned that religious radicalism would become a dangerous threat unless good governance was created, laws were enforced and old religious doctrines were reformulated."

None of this can happen apparently unless the religious radicals, who will use assassination and suicide bombs against other Muslims to get their way, are exterminated.
16 posted on 07/28/2006 12:57:18 PM PDT by Brad from Tennessee (Anything a politician gives you he has first stolen from you)
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To: PghBaldy

i think the only thing we're missing in these replies is the Master of the Obvious graphic.


17 posted on 07/28/2006 12:57:38 PM PDT by Center Line Theory
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To: MAexile

"Gosh, Islam seems to have so many "outs" for bad behavior."

1. Temporary marriages (approved prostitution)
2. Slavery for war captives
3. All manner of lying and cheating and violence if the other person is not Muslim. Problem is, they frequently refer to another Muslim as "not really Muslim."
4. Allah, who would like you dead if Jew or Christian, can be handily bought off if you pay the Dhimmi tax. The problem just goes away with the application of "Protection Money".

Just another tinpot moon-god.


18 posted on 07/28/2006 1:07:07 PM PDT by TexanToTheCore (This space for hire...)
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To: PghBaldy

Keeps sending them more foriegn aid- that's the answer. /s

What's needed is bigger and more frequent Tsunami's to wash the jihadist filth off the place.


19 posted on 07/28/2006 1:27:34 PM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: NativeNewYorker

working link: http://tinyurl.com/zqbmx

Thank you.


20 posted on 07/28/2006 1:31:24 PM PDT by PghBaldy (Bill Clinton invited a known antisemite to the WH numerous times: Yassar Arafat)
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