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Divers find Hitler's aircraft carrier
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| 27 July 06
| Roger Boyes
Posted on 07/26/2006 3:36:44 PM PDT by saganite
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To: Michael.SF.
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posted on
07/26/2006 5:19:51 PM PDT
by
mad_as_he$$
(Never corner anything meaner than you. NSDQ)
To: COEXERJ145
What really happened to the "KMS Europa", although the previous "alternate history" was more exciting.
Europa (projected appearence)
The passenger ship Europa was one of the famous ship of the North German Lloyd line traveling on the North Atlantic route. After the start of World War II, the ships was first used as a barrack ship and in 1940 as a troop transport. Being the largest passenger ship in Germany, the Europa was also selected in the 1942 auxiliary carrier program, but because of the lack of stability and the high fuel consumption, its conversion was stopped in November 1942.
After the war, the Europa was taken over by the US who used the ship as troops transport AP 177 . In 1946 it was given to France, renamed as Liberte and used as a ocean liner again between 1950 and 1962.
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posted on
07/26/2006 5:26:52 PM PDT
by
SAMWolf
(Don`t go there...And If you do don`t get comfortable.)
To: Robe
The Bf-109's landing gear arrangement was barely adequate as it was. It's not clear how it could have been beefed up given that it had to retract outward into a fairly thin wing. Many Bf-109's suffered collapsed landing gears -- especially when operating from rough airfield in the East.
A better choice would have been the FW-190A. It had a wide-track landing gear that folded inward. Plus, it had a radial engine for ease of maintenance -- an important consideration for carriers. Folding wingtips, similar to the Zero could have been added.
Much is made of German aircraft designs making it to Japan. I guess German pride would have prevented the adoption of the A6M Zero.
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posted on
07/26/2006 5:31:28 PM PDT
by
Tallguy
(The problem with this war is the name... You don't wage war against a tactic.)
To: Harmless Teddy Bear
US losses by comparison were around 20%. Actually, I believe they were significantly lower then that.
44
posted on
07/26/2006 5:36:55 PM PDT
by
Michael.SF.
(The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other peoples money -- M. Thatcher)
To: Harmless Teddy Bear
45
posted on
07/26/2006 5:43:08 PM PDT
by
Michael.SF.
(The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other peoples money -- M. Thatcher)
To: Michael.SF.
46
posted on
07/26/2006 5:44:40 PM PDT
by
Harmless Teddy Bear
(A propensity to hope and joy is real riches; one to fear and sorrow, real poverty)
To: Michael.SF.
LOL GMTA
I think maybe one is total losses and the other is combat losses.
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posted on
07/26/2006 5:45:49 PM PDT
by
Harmless Teddy Bear
(A propensity to hope and joy is real riches; one to fear and sorrow, real poverty)
To: Mr. Jeeves
I doubt it would have ever gotten out into the open Atlantic. The Royal Navy would have been all over it. The sinking of the Bismarck changed the game, virtually requiring the Germans to focus on U-Boats.Consider the outcome had she been ready in time to sail with the Bismark.
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posted on
07/26/2006 5:47:13 PM PDT
by
fso301
To: ChadGore
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posted on
07/26/2006 5:49:44 PM PDT
by
LukeL
To: Tallguy
Many Bf-109's suffered collapsed landing gears -- especially when operating from rough airfield in the East.BF-109 also had weak wings. A little bit of damage and a tight turn could snap the wing. Wings were also unable to house high velocity 20mm cannon.
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posted on
07/26/2006 5:51:24 PM PDT
by
fso301
To: SAMWolf
Aww. dang! I liked the first story a heck of a lot better.
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posted on
07/26/2006 5:52:00 PM PDT
by
saganite
(Billions and billions and billions-------and that's just the NASA budget!)
To: Alter Kaker
Quick... float it, so we can sink it again, just on principle
If we could make it float again let it float up to France's shores and see if they surrender again.
52
posted on
07/26/2006 6:25:36 PM PDT
by
festus
(The constitution may be flawed but its a whole lot better than what we have now.)
To: saganite
Congratulations to the divers of Poland.
May the obscured reasons be revealed.
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posted on
07/26/2006 6:33:48 PM PDT
by
Spirited
To: saganite
She had a range of 8,000 nautical miles, meaning that she could easily have reached the North Sea. Well mighta nreded to refuel at Brunsbuttel, but yes, The North Sea was a possibilty.
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posted on
07/26/2006 6:58:04 PM PDT
by
Oztrich Boy
(Make peace with your Ann whatever you conceive Her to be -- Hairy Thunderer or Cosmic Muffin)
To: Michael.SF.
As the old joke goes: Not quite right, you left a few out:
Heaven is where the police are British, the cooks French, The mechanics German, the lovers Italian and it is all organized by the Swiss.
Hell is where the chefs are British, the mechanics French, the lovers Swiss, the police German, and it is all organized by the Italians.
Regards,
GtG
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posted on
07/26/2006 7:00:34 PM PDT
by
Gandalf_The_Gray
(I live in my own little world, I like it 'cuz they know me here.)
To: saganite
The Japs close to 40 Aircraft Carriers during WW2 and ALL of them are sunken wrecks now.
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posted on
07/26/2006 7:06:02 PM PDT
by
amigatec
(There are no significant bugs in our software... Maybe you're not using it properly.- Bill Gates)
To: Gandalf_The_Gray
Well, truth be told I left the others out for brevity. There are many variations of this joke, yours is one of them. Usually when I tell it I use: The Swiss are the lovers and the Italians run the government. Of course reversing the roles, as appropriate.
Another version adds the Scots into the mix. In as much as: In Heaven the Scots run the Bank and in Hell, the Scots run the Bank.
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posted on
07/26/2006 7:12:30 PM PDT
by
Michael.SF.
(The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other peoples money -- M. Thatcher)
To: SAMWolf
Wow! Never heard about that one before. To attempt to board an aircraft carrier and gain control via hand to hand combat must have taken balls of steel.
To: pabianice
That was my first thought...the GrafZeppelin was a dirigable.
To: elcid1970
Thank God for in-fighting!
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