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Buckley: Bush Not A True Conservative
CBS News ^ | July 22, 2006 | Thalia Assuras

Posted on 07/22/2006 8:45:38 PM PDT by West Coast Conservative

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To: sinkspur
Buckley is traveling the Goldwater route: opposes capital punishment, opposes a war on terrorist enablers. When he drops his opposition to abortion, you'll know he's arrived!

That may be so, but in my opinion, the impact of their contributions to the conservative movement--which, for both, began in 1952--outweighs that of their forays off the reservation later in life.

42 posted on 07/22/2006 9:20:29 PM PDT by Fiji Hill
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To: ManningMillworks

Yeah, but that to him is history.

To him, the present will always be somewhere between 1950 and 1989. Not that he doesn't intellectually know the Cold War is over, but emotionally, he can never seen any other enemy the same way he viewed the USSR.

It's no different from some people who see everything through the Depression and the New Deal, or how most lefties see everything through the lens of Vietnam and the 1960's.

One's mindset gets stuck in a certain point in history, it happens.


43 posted on 07/22/2006 9:22:33 PM PDT by Truthsearcher
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To: Truthsearcher
I don't think it's that he's getting senile, I think most people reach a certain age beyond which their worldview can no longer be changed. People like Buckley sees the world through 20 year old lens. To him being conservative probably still means fighting communism. The USSR was the big enemy in his day, I don't think he sees Islamofacism as the same global fight, and I don't think he's capable of seeing it in the same light. That's why he's incapable of seeing its significance.

Thank you.

You've said it perfectly.

If people have paid attention they'll note this is true of a number of Reagan era conservatives. Their approach to the world is the same as it was during another era. Events have changed, the enemy has changed, their capability for destruction has changed.

Buckley is certainly no "faux" conservative, nor an "unappeaseable" as some reflexively would label. he is neither George Will nor Pat Buchanon. He tried to support this war, to understand it. But I really don't think he can move beyond the approach taken to the biggest threat of his day. The Soviet Union, in which rather then boots on the ground...you fought the enemy by containment and outspending them producing a build up of nuclear arsenals to serve as a deterrant. Only deterrants don't work with nationless terrorists.

On domestic matters, I'll largely agree with him. A guiding conservative philosophy would have served this president Bush well in that arena. Foreign policy? Buckley's preferred strategy is no longer current to the threats of today. In this issue, he is out of step with most conservatives.

44 posted on 07/22/2006 9:22:48 PM PDT by Soul Seeker (Kobach: Amnesty is going from an illegal to a legal position, without imposing the original penalty.)
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To: BerniesFriend
I don't think he got Nixon or Reagan elected and re-elected..

If Reagan hadn't started reading National Review in the '50s, would he have ever even entered politics? Disagree all you want with Bill Buckley, but let's not deny the man his due. He had a profound influence on several generations of conservatives beginning with Reagan.
45 posted on 07/22/2006 9:23:17 PM PDT by irishjuggler
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I thought Bush would have been more conservative (affirmative action, spending, Medicare, immigration). However, I wouldn't consider his father conservative. Wasn't there a study recently of the political attitudes of children aligning often with their parents? That said, Bush has been conservative in many ways: abortion, stem-cells, marriage, judges (probably MOST important way). It would have helped a great deal if the Reps had a bigger majority in the Senate.


46 posted on 07/22/2006 9:23:37 PM PDT by PghBaldy (I'm sick of the media leaks & lies. God Bless America.)
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To: West Coast Conservative; Paleo Conservative
Bush is not and never has been a true conservative. He is a liberal on race, nationalism, and Wilsonian and foreign policy. His economic policy is neo-conservative but he refuses to hold Congress to any fiscal limits.
On social policy, he fights rear-guard actions.

However, I disagree with Buckley on Iran. Allowing Iran a nuclear weapon, even one that cannot be fired by a missle, would be a disaster.

Bush's failure to understand Islamism and explain it to the American people is a strategic disaster. He cannot get Europe or Russia to go along with a schizophrenic policy. The failure of the Bush administration to ask for an enlarged military in 2001 has left us overdrawn. The failure to get Congress on record has left the Bush administration vulnerable.

I could see this in September 2001. It is sad to think that Bush, Cheney and Rove have not reached similar conclusions in 4.75 years.
47 posted on 07/22/2006 9:23:50 PM PDT by rmlew (I'm a Goldwater Republican... Don Goldwater 2006!)
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To: West Coast Conservative
Buckley: Bush Not A True Conservative

He's as much as a conservative as Reagan, except that Bsuh's USSC nominees are more conservative than Reagan's (apart from Scalia).

48 posted on 07/22/2006 9:25:04 PM PDT by LdSentinal
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To: goldstategop

Bush isn't a conservative. He never pretended to be one. WE just got blinded that he was the anti clinton. He told us he'd spend our tax money to enlarge existing gov agencies and create new entitlement but it didn't matter because he wasn't Clinton. No Bush has ever been a conservative. He has certain conservative tendencies but he hasn't governed as one. Call it the conservative crack up because he has so brilliantly fooled many to think he is a bonafide conservative. Reagan he is not. Big government republicans have hijacked the party. I would just love to see how you can spin that Bush is a conservative when he's outspent CLinton even when you take out military expenditures. Yeah, that's some conservative!


49 posted on 07/22/2006 9:27:34 PM PDT by MAD-AS-HELL (Put a mirror to the face of the republican party and all you'll see is a Donkey.)
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To: Fiji Hill

Yep.


50 posted on 07/22/2006 9:28:45 PM PDT by PghBaldy (I'm sick of the media leaks & lies. God Bless America.)
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To: goldstategop

W is not conservative. The libs hate him because Kerry lost.


51 posted on 07/22/2006 9:29:19 PM PDT by Cobra64 (All we get are lame ideas from Republicans and lame criticism from dems about those lame ideas.)
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To: skr

compassionate conservative is like libs calling themselves progressive. It's a meaningless term. Conservatives have never been compassionless. It's just how the left defines us and we've never had the ability to erase it.

I'd rather have Cheney than Bush. Cheney is a conservative and , unlike Bush, articulate his beliefs.


52 posted on 07/22/2006 9:30:54 PM PDT by MAD-AS-HELL (Put a mirror to the face of the republican party and all you'll see is a Donkey.)
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To: ManningMillworks

Well stated!


53 posted on 07/22/2006 9:32:10 PM PDT by Frank_2001
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To: West Coast Conservative

The MSM would never have had Mr Buckley on if not for his opposition to Pres Bush and the war in Iraq.


54 posted on 07/22/2006 9:32:40 PM PDT by dervish (Bolton for Secretary of State)
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To: PGalt
Why beat up on the old guy?
I totally disagree with your comment here. If someone chooses to "put their comments out there", then those comments should be judged on the basis of their logic and meaning, not on the basis of the age of the person who put them out there.

If Buckley wants to retire and play fetch with his doggy, then it's only right to leave him be. But if he wants to continue to make contributions to the marketplace of ideas, especially given his past successes, we owe him the courtesy of critiquing his words at face value, and not giving him a pass just because he's an "old guy".

That's not fair to him, and it's not the right way to conduct a national discourse.

As for what he says about Bush and Iraq, he's so far off base that I question his own conservative credentials. But he's off base because he's wrong, not because he's old. There are plenty of young people who are just as wrong on Iraq as is the old man Buckley.

55 posted on 07/22/2006 9:32:41 PM PDT by samtheman
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To: BerniesFriend
it was a radio host with little formal education that was credited with ending four decades of dem control of the congress..my two cents..

National Review was a huge influence on Limbaugh and countless other conservatives from the 1960's to the 1990's. I think Rush would admit that.

56 posted on 07/22/2006 9:32:56 PM PDT by Norman Arbuthnot
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To: rmlew

Great post.


57 posted on 07/22/2006 9:34:57 PM PDT by PghBaldy (I'm sick of the media leaks & lies. God Bless America.)
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To: West Coast Conservative

Bush not a true conservative. DUH, no kidding. Bush may not be a true conservative but he was vastly superior to sleazy kerry. I'd vote for Bush again in that same situation, warts and all


58 posted on 07/22/2006 9:35:25 PM PDT by MadLibDisease ("Women and cats will do as they please and men and dogs should relax and get used to it" R .Heinlein)
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To: West Coast Conservative
"If we find there is a warhead there that is poised, the range of it is tested, then we have no alternative. But pending that, we have to ask ourselves, 'What would the Iranian population do?'"

Everyone has some issue everyone thinks they understand until they go and make a statement like this. Once they even have a bomb, it is too late. Rogue states with nuclear ambition can not be tolerated. How many North Koreas can the world tolerate?

59 posted on 07/22/2006 9:36:00 PM PDT by hopespringseternal
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To: West Coast Conservative
First off, this should be in BREAKING NEWS.

In particular, Buckley views the three-and-a-half-year Iraq War as a failure.

Ummm.......no.

60 posted on 07/22/2006 9:38:26 PM PDT by JohnnyZ (Happy New Year! Breed like dogs!)
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