[Doctor Raoul]

I think soccermom was thinking more along the lines of persuading fence-sitters to our side...

There are no fence sitters. Soccermom is so invsted in what others think, she sounds like a liberal, because group think is so important to liberals.

The amazing thing is that in a city that voted like 90% (some fantastically high percentage if not 90%) for Kerry has rejected Code Pink.

Once these signs made it clear who THEY are, they get very little public affirmation. It's very perceptable. Also, they are down to the hardcore of CP. And have been for some time now. The same few junior leaders, communists, dedicated America haters and soicial misfits. There's not one you'd want to marry into your family.

The local "peace actiists" don't even support them. It CP and some VFP and that's about it.

You can tell by their body language it's no fun for them. They arrive late and leave promptly, if not a little early. The "newbies" don't come back.

[maica]

Soccermom demands that we not use the word "hags." We acknowledge her right to say that. I consider her posts now to have as much impact as a bttt.


She should acknowledge our right to demonstrate at Walter Reed in the way we consider to be effective, and gracefully go to another thread.

Glad I don't have to show up at soccer practice where her kids play.

[soccermom]

"There are no fence sitters. Soccermom is so invsted in what others think, she sounds like a liberal, because group think is so important to liberals."

The fact is there are fence sitters and to pretend otherwise is to deny political realities. Roughly 30% of the electorate is conservative and will vote that way regardless and roughly 30% are liberal. The remaining 40% is up for grabs at each election. And it DOES matter what they think.

Those who point to the mean behavior of liberals and complain that we need to counter it accordingly need to look at recent history. They complain about the way liberals used the Wellstone funeral as a political rally, but how did that work out for liberals? Democrats lost in an unprecedented tsunanmi. The American people were capable of seeing the shameless exploitation for what it was. People complain about the hateful distortions of Michael Moore. If we were to follow your logic and look at the "success" of F-9/11, we would have to think that Americans were on the side of the left. But that was just a case of the choir paying homage to their preacher. Did Bush stoop to Moore's level? No. He remained above him. The "fence sitters" saw Moore's attacks as unfair and that garners support for Bush.

Box office results, books sales and "horn honks" are not an accurate indication of public opinion. During the 2000 election, I lived in a "blue" state. I stood with others doing sign-waving and given our "horn count" ratio, I naively thought Bush had a chance in that state. He lost handily.

If your goal was to drive down the "horn honks" for Code Pink, that could have just as easily been accomplished by using a word other than "hags". Do you seriously think people driving by were less inclined to honk for them because of that word? If I were driving down there, I wouldn't be honking for them regardless. The choice of the word "hag" wouldn't have made a difference --- however it could be off-putting to those who are fence-sitters and that is my point. In the sense that you were trying to get people not to be fooled by their flags, I agree it was effective --- but that would have been successful regardless of whether or not the word "hags" was employed.

As I said earlier, if you consider "the war" to be making the other side "feel bad or mad", knock yourself out. Personally, I think "the war" is about winning fence sitters to our side. In that sense, "horn honks" are about as effective a reflection of public opinion as "freeped" polls.

[Ouderkirk]

Soccermom is so invested in what others think, she sounds like a liberal, because group think is so important to liberals.

Nah, not a liberal.....a woman.

My wife has the same view. You're not going to win this no matter what...so just give her what all men do when the wife is bitching and your not listening.

in patronizing tone, Yes Dear.