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Wichita couple seek donations for IVF
Yahoo ^ | 07.14.06

Posted on 07/15/2006 7:25:02 PM PDT by Coleus

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To: Coleus

They just don't want to spend their own *hard earned* money in case it doesn't work out. More of the entitlement, *we're owed this* mentality. Donations from me? In their dreams.


21 posted on 07/15/2006 9:28:26 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Calpernia

The kids would be named Bedford and Duncan....


22 posted on 07/15/2006 9:29:08 PM PDT by It's me
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To: ThisLittleLightofMine

They are too young to be not able to have kids.

I am hearing this more and more often. I wonder if she has been on birth control pills for the past ten years and now it comes back to bite her.....





23 posted on 07/15/2006 9:30:47 PM PDT by It's me
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To: Coleus

Asking for donations from strangers so they can have a child. I have heard it all. What about the hospital delivery bill? When the child needs new clothes, wants a pony, wants a car, needs college money? We supposed to donate for that too?


24 posted on 07/15/2006 10:11:42 PM PDT by D1X1E (The government doesnt have any money. They have your money.)
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To: peggybac

If they cann't afford the IVF then they are not ready to afford the child either. My wife and I are on our 4th cycle right now. My wife dosn't work. We had to make some major changes in our spending habits in order to afford it.


25 posted on 07/16/2006 4:30:42 AM PDT by Kadric
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To: It's me

>>>>I wonder if she has been on birth control pills for the past ten years

That is an excellent thought.


26 posted on 07/16/2006 4:50:39 AM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: Coleus

I am going to Germany in September and would like some spending money. Please dig deap in your pockets and send me some money for beer. Your generosity will be remembered forever. Thank you. LOL. What is it with these people.


27 posted on 07/16/2006 4:53:41 AM PDT by napscoordinator
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To: Calpernia
It was then they learned Shelton had a medical condition that made in vitro fertilization their best option.

It appears the problems are on the sperm side.

28 posted on 07/16/2006 6:00:09 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Have some hyperbolic rodomontade, and nothing worse will happen for the rest of the day!)
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To: Tax-chick

I missed that line.


29 posted on 07/16/2006 6:06:23 AM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: Calpernia

Understandable. You raised a reasonable question, especially since the couple is asking for charity.


30 posted on 07/16/2006 6:31:32 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Have some hyperbolic rodomontade, and nothing worse will happen for the rest of the day!)
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To: metmom
Here's the short version:

Chiari Malformation Also known as Arnold-Chiari Malformation or ACM, this is an ucommon structural condition affecting the cerebellum. Essentially there is extra cerebellum crowding the outlet of the brainstem/spinal cord from the skull on its way to the spinal canal. This crowding will commonly lead to severe headaches, neck pain, loss of balance, tingling in the arms and/or legs, stiffness, and less often will cause problems such as chronic coughing, difficulties with swallowing, and choking. Often the symptoms are made worse with straining.

Untreated, the chronic crowding of the brainstem and spinal cord can lead to very serious consequences including paralysis. In addition they can lead to the development of syrinxes which may further injure the patients spinal cord and function. When the diagnosis is suspected the study of choice is an MRI scan. These malformations are very difficult to see on CT scans and impossible to see on plain x-rays.

There are many ways to treat Chiari malformations, but all require surgery. The basic operation is one of uncrowding the area at the base of the cerebellum where it is pushing against the brainstem and spinal cord. This is done by removing a portion of bone at the base of the skull deep to the neck muscles as well as often removing a part of the back of the first and occasionally additional spinal column segments.

Chiari Malformation

NINDS explanation

The kids I know have Chiari malformation Type I with Hydrosyringomyelia. Very long and painful road a head for all of them. They are in the process of moving to Chicago to be near a specalist in this field.

31 posted on 07/16/2006 7:33:51 AM PDT by Jaded (does it really need a sarcasm tag?)
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To: It's me

People get sooooo hostile when this is suggested.


32 posted on 07/16/2006 7:35:52 AM PDT by Jaded (does it really need a sarcasm tag?)
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To: metmom

Here's some websites:
http://www.ninds.nih.gov/disorders/chiari/chiari.htm
http://www.pressenter.com/~wacma/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arnold-Chiari_malformation

Arnold Chiari is the doctor the syndrome was named after, and you can find lots more sites by googling his name.


33 posted on 07/16/2006 8:59:17 AM PDT by pillut48 (CJ in TX)
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To: It's me

A woman's fertility peaks at age *27*. You won't see that much in the MSM though--they are too busy promoting feminism and careers and using fertility treatment as a fall back position. Someone out there invented the age 35 number as the magic age you should have kids by, but for some women, that's too late.


34 posted on 07/16/2006 9:01:36 AM PDT by pillut48 (CJ in TX)
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To: pillut48

Sorry, he is the one with the medical problems (probably sperm related, but who knows?)


35 posted on 07/16/2006 10:22:46 AM PDT by pillut48 (CJ in TX)
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A woman's fertility peaks at age *27*.

You see that number a lot, but I've got it filed under "d*mned lies and statistics" until I see the research behind it. How could they even find enough women not contracepting to do a statistically valid study?

36 posted on 07/16/2006 1:54:42 PM PDT by Tax-chick (Have some hyperbolic rodomontade, and nothing worse will happen for the rest of the day!)
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To: Tax-chick

My RE quoted it to me, and I believe him. Of course, this is an average; some women have lower peaks, some women higher peaks.

Here's a few sources I found online:
http://www.asrm.org/Patients/FactSheets/reproaging.pdf
http://unisci.com/stories/20022/0430021.htm
http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/article/001191.htm
http://archives.cnn.com/2002/HEALTH/04/30/fertility/index.html
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/baby/fert_text.html
http://www.guardian.co.uk/print/0,3858,4404085-110418,00.html


37 posted on 07/16/2006 7:47:50 PM PDT by pillut48 (CJ in TX)
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Thanks, I will look at those articles. I don't doubt the honesty of anyone using the number, but I do wonder how the information was "discovered."


38 posted on 07/17/2006 3:26:21 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Have some hyperbolic rodomontade, and nothing worse will happen for the rest of the day!)
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To: pillut48

Interesting. I see they didn't control for lifestyle factors, such as STD history, so the practical utility of the number is low. However, I can at least see how they got the number.


39 posted on 07/17/2006 5:44:57 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Have some hyperbolic rodomontade, and nothing worse will happen for the rest of the day!)
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