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Rove: Bush to veto DeGette bill (stem cell)
Denver Post ^ | 10 july 2006 | John Farrell

Posted on 07/10/2006 1:39:16 PM PDT by Notwithstanding

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To: Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit

Yeah, they'll turn it into a frickin' industry if they're allowed. Why AREN'T corps putting $$ into embryonics if its' so promising?


21 posted on 07/10/2006 1:51:37 PM PDT by ichabod1 (Let us not flinch from identifying liberalism as the opposition party to God.)
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To: Notwithstanding

About time. Too bad he waited so long to veto something.


22 posted on 07/10/2006 1:52:00 PM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: All

Fox New Alert just showed protest of NYT. Some FReeper dressed as Bin Laden made just on. On Neil Cavito right now.


23 posted on 07/10/2006 1:52:00 PM PDT by mware (Americans in armchairs doing the job of the media.)
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To: Lunatic Fringe
Now he's going to do it to kill funding that could save lives.

Harvesting unborn children under the false belief they can save lives, is vile, and disgusting.

Thank God, that this President is willing to veto this.

What a pig this President has turned out to be.

"Pigs" like this, are what this country needs.

Not false liberal lions who kill children with tax payer money.

24 posted on 07/10/2006 1:52:11 PM PDT by Sonny M ("oderint dum metuant")
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To: Notwithstanding
Hooray!

It only took him 5 years to veto a liberal piece of legislation despite a target rich environment. Hmmm...

25 posted on 07/10/2006 1:53:25 PM PDT by Spiff ("They start yelling, 'Murderer!' 'Traitor!' They call me by name." - Gael Murphy, Code Pink leader)
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To: sinkspur

Don't wars do that?


26 posted on 07/10/2006 1:54:00 PM PDT by stuartcr (Everything happens as God wants it to.....otherwise, things would be different.)
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To: TheDon

Didn't scientists discover about 2 months ago that they can harvest all the stem cells we'll ever need from mouse nuts/testicles? I'm sure I didn't hallucinate that on the news.


27 posted on 07/10/2006 1:54:26 PM PDT by txhurl
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To: Lunatic Fringe

What a foolish and dare I say ignorant post yours is. Life should not be saved by the destruction of the innocent, and you being a Conservative should never expect the Federal Government to sanction that.(Oh and PS with the billions of private sector and foreign Govt investment and State Govt in embryonic stemcell research there have been no cures or real advancements however adult stemcells have proven to be a whole other story)


28 posted on 07/10/2006 1:54:45 PM PDT by aft_lizard (born conservative...I chose to be a republican)
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To: mware

I wonder who it is.


29 posted on 07/10/2006 1:55:24 PM PDT by txhurl
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To: Sonny M
who kill children with tax payer money.

I see you are well-trained... Save the hyperbole, nobody is killing children with taxpayer money. This is to fund research of embryonic stem cells that otherwise already exists. The money is not to create the stem cells, but to study them.

30 posted on 07/10/2006 1:55:49 PM PDT by Lunatic Fringe (Man Law: You Poke It, You Own It)
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To: Lunatic Fringe

Why do people think government should fund embryonic stem cell research?

The answer: Because no one else is.

The real answer: If it actually worked, private companies would invest in it.

It would be literally flushing money down a drain. The government would be better off taking your tax dollars and going to Las Vegas, picking the game with the worst odds and letting it ride. Because at least then, there is a chance of some return.


31 posted on 07/10/2006 1:55:58 PM PDT by BaBaStooey (I heart Emma Caulfield.)
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To: Lunatic Fringe

If you like it, send your own money to fund it. It's perfectly legal. Don't make ME pay to kill human life just for the off-chance it might in a decade or two yield some benefit to those already living.

If you are going to support government funding of stem cell research, you have already abandoned the conservative principle of limited government performing only functions that are granted to it by the constitution.

Often the moral issues of what to let the government do and not do are caused by the failure to follow conservative principles -- by embracing limited government, we can avoid the entire argument over whether a particular thing is a good or bad thing.


32 posted on 07/10/2006 1:56:02 PM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: txflake
I wonder who it is.

I'd bet it's Dr.Raoul

33 posted on 07/10/2006 1:56:53 PM PDT by NeoCaveman (The Latest on the Ohio gov race http://blackwellvstrickland.blogspot.com)
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To: Notwithstanding

This is pretty simple really.

Embryonic Stem Cells (ESCs) hold little or no potential for long term treatment or cure of anything.

Adult Stem Cells have 70 patents on proven and high potential treatment and cures.

IF ESC held any promise there would be no need for federal funding of research. The private sector would be flooding the market with investments.

The push for federal funding for ESC research is ALL about pretending there is a benefit to abortion.


34 posted on 07/10/2006 1:57:21 PM PDT by G Larry (Only strict constructionists on the Supreme Court!)
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To: dirtboy
Although your post has a certain porcine quality to it.

LOL!

35 posted on 07/10/2006 1:57:40 PM PDT by Smogger (It's the WOT Stupid)
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To: BaBaStooey
The real answer: If it actually worked, private companies would invest in it.

Not neccesarily. If the returns are too far into the future, almost no company would invest in it.

36 posted on 07/10/2006 1:58:10 PM PDT by Lunatic Fringe (Man Law: You Poke It, You Own It)
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To: Lunatic Fringe
This is to fund research of embryonic stem cells that otherwise already exists. The money is not to create the stem cells, but to study them

The DeGette bill funds new and unlimited lines of stem cells. Many of these lines will come from the abortion industry.

37 posted on 07/10/2006 1:59:34 PM PDT by sinkspur (Today, we settled all family business.)
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To: Lunatic Fringe
Before you go off on an angry rant, you might want to learn a little bit about the stem-cell issue.

First, there is nothing that stops embryonic stem cell research now. In 2001, the President only prevented FEDERAL funding for it. The President will veto a bill which would permit federal funding.

Of the research that has been done, the only successes have come from use of adult (mature) stem cells, including bone marrow, umbilical cord, olfactory cells, etc. The patient's own stem cells can be, and have been, used, and there is no need to kill anything in the process.

The largest research institutions which do stem cell research are moving away from embryonic research precisely because it has been so unsuccessful. No progress or cures, but it has produced tumors in patients. I read an article several years ago that the use of embryonic stem-cells in Parkinson's patients made their diseases WORSE, not better.

We all want scientific progress and help for horrible diseases and paralysis, etc. That doesn't mean that the ONLY way to accomplish that is by killing another living being.

39 posted on 07/10/2006 2:01:14 PM PDT by Prov3456
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To: Lunatic Fringe
If the returns are too far into the future, almost no company would invest in it.

I guess that's why no company invested the money and ten years of time to develop magnetic computer chips.

Oops, one did.

40 posted on 07/10/2006 2:02:10 PM PDT by dirtboy (When Bush is on the same side as Ted the Swimmer on an issue, you know he's up to no good...)
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