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Library Chief Draws Cops' Ire [and Sought ACLU Advice]
The Bergen Record ^ | June 22, 2006 | Merry Firschein

Posted on 06/23/2006 12:52:37 PM PDT by plan2succeed.org

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Having called the library director I learned,

1) She seems to be trying her best to do the right thing and I have no complaints regarding her actions,

2) She called an ACLU attorney to determine her course of action, and

3) If the Police and the Library Director are both working for the same boss, the town, why is there a need to protect patrons privacy since such information was being revealed to others working for the same boss, not to the public. The librarian agreed this was a valid issue.

If in answer to 3) one says, well, that's the law (NJS 18A:73-43.2), one has to ask:

3A) Why is the law written the way is is?

3B) Why is it interpreted the way it is?

3C) How did the law come into being in the first place -- the librarians themselves under ALA guidance, perhaps?

3D) If the law is supposedly intended to protect patron privacy, why is there a section carved out that lets the library itself violate this privacy in pursuance of its own interests, such as collecting library fees?

3E) Is the collection of library fees a more important public policy goal than the prevention and determination of criminal activity? (Do librarians have more power than the Police?)

3F) Why are libraries destroying the records police need to solve crimes and the FBI needs to prevent terrorism, while at the same time preventing access to the records they are destroying? More importantly, is this what the public wants or what the ALA/ACLU want?

3G) Why did the librarian turn to the New Jersey Library Association and the ACLU for advice and not the town's own attorney?

SafeLibraries.org - Are Children Safe in Public Libraries?

SafeLibraries. org - Are Children Safe in Public Libraries?

1 posted on 06/23/2006 12:52:40 PM PDT by plan2succeed.org
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To: plan2succeed.org
You got 7 days punk!


2 posted on 06/23/2006 12:54:29 PM PDT by Lx (Do you like it, do you like it. Scott? I call it Mr. and Mrs. Tennerman chili.)
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To: plan2succeed.org
It is a shame that the librarian chose to seek her advice from the ACLU but a tiger is a tiger. Here is the statute:
18A:73-43.2. Confidentiality; exceptions

Library records which contain the names or other personally identifying details regarding the users of libraries are confidential and shall not be disclosed except in the following circumstances:

a. The records are necessary for the proper operation of the library;

b. Disclosure is requested by the user; or

c. Disclosure is required pursuant to a subpena [sic] issued by a court or court order.

L. 1985, c. 172, s. 2, eff. May 31, 1985.

18A:73-43.3. Rules, regulations The State Librarian shall adopt pursuant to section 18 of P.L. 1969, c. 158 (C. 18A:73-33) and the "Administrative Procedure Act," P.L. 1968, c. 410 (C. 52:14B-1 et seq.) rules and regulations necessary to effectuate the purposes of this act.

Sounds like the librarian was on pretty solid footing and barring any guidance from the State Librarian to the contrary, she just might have preserved the cops' case against the perp.

3 posted on 06/23/2006 1:10:09 PM PDT by NonValueAdded ("So to hell with that twerp at the [WaPo]. I've got no time for him on a day like this." Mark Steyn)
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To: plan2succeed.org

In the meantime, had the young lady been abducted, raped, or murdered, would Ms. Lilly-Livered Librarian be held in any way responsible for failing to help? Interesting question.


4 posted on 06/23/2006 1:11:30 PM PDT by hardworking
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To: NonValueAdded

Subpoenas are just another part of the restrictive fourth and fifth amendments that keep the police from having an easy job. It would be a lot easier for the police to arrest criminals if they didn't have to follow procedure.


5 posted on 06/23/2006 1:13:34 PM PDT by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch ist der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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To: NonValueAdded

Yes, besides ruffling feathers, she appears to have followed the law to the tee, at least according to my reading of the newspaper report. My question is why is this law there in the first place, and are the issues I raise serious enough to reevaluate the law? Thanks for posting the law.


6 posted on 06/23/2006 1:14:00 PM PDT by plan2succeed.org (www.plan2succeed.org)
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To: plan2succeed.org

It seems to me that asking for a supena is correct..as for who she called don't know nmuch about that..

what happens when the police want to know everyone who checked out Ann Colters books...who will protect us..??


7 posted on 06/23/2006 1:15:56 PM PDT by conservativehusker (GO BIG RED!!!!)
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To: plan2succeed.org

Perhaps the law is there to keep nosy people from harassing those who check out books that said nosy people don't find appropriate. For example, sans law, a reporter or policeman or detective could find out who check out "Godless" and give more parking tickets or write editorials, or even use such information in a custody dispute.


8 posted on 06/23/2006 1:16:30 PM PDT by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch ist der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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To: conservativehusker

This is New Jersey. Recall Ann Coulter's book would have been banned by two elected NJ Democrats, and, by the way, no outcry from the ALA (American Library Association). So no, no one will get in trouble checking out Ann Coulter's book because it is being banned in New Jersey. No book? No subpoena.


9 posted on 06/23/2006 1:19:49 PM PDT by plan2succeed.org (www.plan2succeed.org)
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To: Doctor Stochastic
Is that a tongue in your cheek or are you happy to ... nevermind.

Sounds like a panel question from earlier today. I propose the Jack Bauer law giving the police the option to use one round to the knee, preferably the left one.

10 posted on 06/23/2006 1:20:27 PM PDT by NonValueAdded ("So to hell with that twerp at the [WaPo]. I've got no time for him on a day like this." Mark Steyn)
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To: hardworking

No, it just would have been all in a day's work for the ravingly liberal ALA, which was behind most of these idiotic laws.

My sister (a former librarian) had a friend who worked in a library in Jersey and quit because the entire computer section of the library had been turned over to sleazoids who watched porn all day. Even though there were kids there, the librarians could not get these guys out; furthermore, the sleazoids spent a lot of their time smirking at the librarians and calling them over to ask a question so that the librarians would have to see the porn displayed on the monitor. The ALA naturally defended the right of sleazoids to do whatever they wanted to in your local public library.


11 posted on 06/23/2006 1:20:41 PM PDT by livius
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To: Doctor Stochastic

Same comment as above re NJ and Ann Coulter.


12 posted on 06/23/2006 1:21:00 PM PDT by plan2succeed.org (www.plan2succeed.org)
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To: conservativehusker

It would be hard to find her books in the average library.


13 posted on 06/23/2006 1:21:06 PM PDT by PeteB570 (Guns, what real men want for Christmas)
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To: livius

Please have her contact us (SafeLibraries.org) so we can publicize her story, if she's interested. Only the ALA benefits by hiding the truth.


14 posted on 06/23/2006 1:23:12 PM PDT by plan2succeed.org (www.plan2succeed.org)
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To: livius

Unbelievable. I used to love to go to the local library when I was a kid. Climbed on my bike and rode alone across town and enjoyed quiet time in the children's area. Today kids have to be driven because it isn't safe to let them go alone and apparently they can't even be left alone in the library. What have we come to?


15 posted on 06/23/2006 1:24:01 PM PDT by hardworking
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To: hardworking

16 posted on 06/23/2006 1:34:02 PM PDT by plan2succeed.org (www.plan2succeed.org)
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To: plan2succeed.org

I didn't know there was such an organization. I'll tell my sister - she still keeps in touch with some of her library buddies. Of course, the one who had the problems in Jersey has now found a nice job in a private foundation library, where she's very happy. Folks in the publics are really up against it and, like this woman, a lot leave, which is a pity when you think of how much most of us benefitted from the public libraries and their librarians.


17 posted on 06/23/2006 1:37:22 PM PDT by livius
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To: plan2succeed.org

Oh, sure, for a possible sexual predator the librarian is harrassed for not helping the police quickly enough. I wonder how Bergen would react if the FBI were conducting an urgent hunt for a terrorist who happens to be Muslim?


18 posted on 06/23/2006 1:38:32 PM PDT by jimtorr
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To: hardworking

So did I. But I stopped letting my kids go when the libraries started becoming homeless encampments and the librarians and the police were powerless (thanks to the ACLU) to get them out.


19 posted on 06/23/2006 1:40:52 PM PDT by livius
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To: livius
You are correct. And we also try to stand up for the librarians victimized by or who don't support or want to support the radical agenda, as opposed to the proper agenda, of the ALA. See for example Good Librarians.


20 posted on 06/23/2006 1:48:35 PM PDT by plan2succeed.org (www.plan2succeed.org)
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