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Utahns say no thanks to illegal alien handouts (POLL)
Salt Lake Tribune ^ | 6/22/06 | Jennifer W. Sanchez

Posted on 06/22/2006 1:29:47 PM PDT by goalinestan

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To: zerosix

We're on the same page -- see my last post here.


41 posted on 06/22/2006 2:30:27 PM PDT by Arizona Carolyn
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To: goalinestan
...discounted resident college tuition rate to the children of undocumented immigrants.

Pardon my French, but HOW IN THE HELL does one prove that they are a child of an "undocumented immigrant"?

42 posted on 06/22/2006 2:33:26 PM PDT by Lekker 1 (("Stocks have reached what looks like a permanently high plateau" - I. Fisher, Yale Econ Prof, 1929))
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To: Arizona Carolyn
the express highway through Texas to Kansas City and spreading out from there is a good thing?

Yes. In Texas, it is being built by a private company, and will charge tolls. No one has to drive on it if they don't want to, as it will relieve congestion on I-35, which will still be maintained by Texas with federal highway money.

but this is one more move to bypass the unions by bringing cheap Chinese goods into the new port, they are building in Baja, and truck into middle America... by Mexican truckers vs. American Truckers...

As I understand it, American trucks will be able to go to Baja as well and pick up cargo. And Mexican trucks will have to have the same safety equipment and be inspected at the border as American trucks are now.

43 posted on 06/22/2006 2:35:20 PM PDT by sinkspur (Today, we settled all family business.)
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To: sinkspur
Do you really think that is why they need so many lanes of express traffic to give them a straight shot into the country vs our truckers who have to trudge up and down our two lane (in each direction) interstates day in and day out? Or why they are going to turn a most beautiful and pristine beach community into a port twice the size of Long Beach and Los Angeles?

Sinkspur it's dangerous to make assumptions and take everything at just face value. We keep doing that to the detriment of our middle class and without a middle class this country is no better than Mexico.

44 posted on 06/22/2006 2:35:54 PM PDT by Arizona Carolyn
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To: sinkspur

Interesting that the Supremes made their imminent domain ruling around the same time this monstrosity of a highway came to light... because a whole lot of Texas ranches will meet their demise for this highway.


45 posted on 06/22/2006 2:37:20 PM PDT by Arizona Carolyn
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To: sinkspur
And Mexican trucks will have to have the same safety equipment and be inspected at the border as American trucks are now.

And you really expect that to happen and expect us to believe it will? How many Americans are going to lose their jobs over these Mexican rustbuckets that will come in and undercut them, or do you care? It's all about globalism and cheap labor isn't it and the heck with everything else. The Chris Cannon philosophy rules. Somehow I don't think that's what the Founders of this country had in mind for their posterity, do you?

46 posted on 06/22/2006 2:41:35 PM PDT by Reaganwuzthebest
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To: sinkspur

They have said for several years the MExican trucks have to be inspected, yet all the trucks coming up into Arizona to deliver goods have brought with them a lot of fatal accidents due to poor equipment -- along with a whole lot of drugs.


47 posted on 06/22/2006 2:42:08 PM PDT by Arizona Carolyn
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Pardon my French, but HOW IN THE HELL does one prove that they are a child of an "undocumented immigrant"?

You just have to trust them. Questioning could be considered hate speech.

48 posted on 06/22/2006 2:44:59 PM PDT by goalinestan (Build it...and they won't come (as easily))
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To: goalinestan
Seventy-one percent of the 625 registered voters who were interviewed by telephone for the statewide poll this week said Utah should "repeal the current state law that offers the discounted resident college tuition rate to the children of undocumented immigrants."

What a biased poll question! The law states they would pay the same in-state tuition as any other Utahn.
I understand in state residents pay less than an out of state student would, but what a way to ask the question... to 625 Utahns!

49 posted on 06/22/2006 2:46:22 PM PDT by Rex Anderson
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To: Arizona Carolyn
They have said for several years the MExican trucks have to be inspected, yet all the trucks coming up into Arizona to deliver goods have brought with them a lot of fatal accidents due to poor equipment -- along with a whole lot of drugs.

That's all to be swept under the rug. It's the small price to be paid according to them for higher profits and stock dividends.

50 posted on 06/22/2006 2:51:32 PM PDT by Reaganwuzthebest
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To: Rex Anderson

You're right.

I assume that the question is speaking in terms of the rate being discounted when compared to the out-of-state resident tuition rate. (Actually the in-state rate would be the base rate, and the higher out-of-state rate would be inflated off of it).

It may be a stupid question, but there aren't 2 levels of in-state tuition are there?

One for most residents and another for "special situations" as determined by some liberal quota. Since it's Utah, I'm going to assume that's not the case.


51 posted on 06/22/2006 2:51:46 PM PDT by goalinestan (Build it...and they won't come (as easily))
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To: Arizona Carolyn
Do you really think that is why they need so many lanes of express traffic to give them a straight shot into the country vs our truckers who have to trudge up and down our two lane (in each direction) interstates day in and day out?

Our truckers will use the TransTexas Corridor as well, won't they? There will be more traffic, with rail alongside. I think it's smart to build many lanes. Cheaper to do it now than later.

Sinkspur it's dangerous to make assumptions and take everything at just face value.

Yeah. Let's instead build up all kinds of goofy conspiracies around a straightforward trade concept. Or, rather, let's let Jerome Corsi do it so we can all go out and buy his book and make him rich.

52 posted on 06/22/2006 3:02:58 PM PDT by sinkspur (Today, we settled all family business.)
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Interesting that the Supremes made their imminent domain ruling around the same time this monstrosity of a highway came to light... because a whole lot of Texas ranches will meet their demise for this highway.

They will be handsomely rewarded by a private company.

53 posted on 06/22/2006 3:04:28 PM PDT by sinkspur (Today, we settled all family business.)
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To: Arizona Carolyn

Chris Cannon sued his own brother Joe Cannon, who is chairman of the State GOP, when he wanted to get out of Geneva Steel (the family owned business.)

It is my understanding he took over $60,000,000 out of the company and effectively put it into bankruptcy. He has since spent almost every last dime.

I also have been told that both Cannons dipped their fingers into the employee pension fund and left employees with nothing.


54 posted on 06/22/2006 3:07:16 PM PDT by colorcountry ( Run with scissors???? I can barely jog my memory)
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To: Reaganwuzthebest
And you really expect that to happen and expect us to believe it will?

The only thing you will believe, apparently, is some wild tinfoil idea spun by a free lance writer with a lot of time on his hands.

How many Americans are going to lose their jobs over these Mexican rustbuckets that will come in and undercut them,

The Mexican trucks will not be hauling inter-US, but will only be able to haul loads across the border and to a port. (As I understand it). And the Mexican trucks will have to pass the same safety inspections as American trucks or they won't get in.

55 posted on 06/22/2006 3:08:03 PM PDT by sinkspur (Today, we settled all family business.)
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They have said for several years the MExican trucks have to be inspected, yet all the trucks coming up into Arizona to deliver goods have brought with them a lot of fatal accidents due to poor equipment --

Since there are "a lot" of these fatal accidents, could you link to two or three of recent occurrence?

56 posted on 06/22/2006 3:09:32 PM PDT by sinkspur (Today, we settled all family business.)
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To: sinkspur
The only thing you will believe, apparently, is some wild tinfoil idea spun by a free lance writer with a lot of time on his hands.

Nope, I've yet to make any comments anywhere on what Corsi has said. But when I see the borders not getting enforced or the laws being upheld and superhighways being built that links us with a third world basketcase, making it easier for them to import their drugs and illegal aliens then it becomes obvious that at least some of what he's saying is real and not tinfoil.

57 posted on 06/22/2006 3:14:18 PM PDT by Reaganwuzthebest
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To: colorcountry

Nice people (not)...


58 posted on 06/22/2006 3:16:19 PM PDT by Arizona Carolyn
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We have most of these accidents in our area on the turn off from 93 through Laughlin due to having to bypass the Hoover Dam. It's a steeply-banked road and requires good breaks when carrying heavy loads and most of these accidents are due to faulty brakes/equipment. Our local papers and radio station report these accidents.


59 posted on 06/22/2006 3:19:23 PM PDT by Arizona Carolyn
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I've seen enough of these discussions now to know that we will never be in agreement with sinkspur, there is a contingent here who don't care what this is/has done to our country, only that it must continue the sooner the better....

I hate to think what my ancestors -- who go back to Mayflower and 1700s on each side, would think of how they fought, and died, in the Revolution only to have our current leaders hand our country over without a whimper.. or what they would think of our citizens being complicit in this handover.

60 posted on 06/22/2006 3:23:24 PM PDT by Arizona Carolyn
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