The Truth Leaks Out About Kosovo (Bill Clinton's Iraq - A Flashback)

Eagle Forums ^ | 11-24-99 | Phyllis Schlafly

[Alberta's Child]

Where was Code Pink? Where was Kerry? Where was Murtha? Where was Biden? Where were the environmentalists? Where were the human shields?

Where was the GOP opposition?

[superfries]

What about wonderkin Wesley Clark?

[Lion in Winter]

Doncha mean WAR CRIMINAL CLARK???

[tgambill]

No it won't....check out www.savekosovo.org. There is a group of us that won't let it die.

I also have this collection of quotes:

Circa 1998:
There's a military insurrection that is taking shape, backed by the members of the Albania Diaspora in Germany, Switzerland, and right here in New York City, where a lot of Albanians and Albanian-Americans are sending a lot of money and support to Kosovo. (Gosh - NYC? -SG)

Holbrooke: An independent Kosovo would "unravel Southeastern Europe."

JIM LEHRER: And they want an independent Kosovo ruled by Albanians, right?

RICHARD HOLBROOKE: Yes. And more. I met with several Albanian leaders in Kosovo who said their goal is an independent Kosovo, their goal is to recreate the Greater Albania that existed briefly during the 30's and 40's, which includes Albania, Kosovo, and part of Macedonia. That, I can tell you, Jim, would unravel Southeastern Europe and dramatically increase the chances of a general war. And that's why the situation is both not the same as Bosnia and why it's so dangerous.

I really need to stress this point so people do not misunderstand it. The Kosovo Albanians have been very badly treated for over a decade by the Serb minority in Kosovo. Their rights have been denied and the Yugoslav federal constitution was changed to reduce their powers. This was entirely wrong, and it led to the inevitable reaction which we're now seeing. At the same time, the violent solution which is being advocated by the so-called Kosovo Liberation Army, which is really not an army but a lot of different groups that are gradually forming an infrastructure of resistance, this approach is highly dangerous to stability in the region.

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Sept. 10, 2002
Cumberland, Md.: Where you aware of the KLA and Bosnian Muslims' ties to Osama bin Laden at the time you were negotiating with them?

Richard C. Holbrooke: Yes. In fact, we were so concerned about this issue that we wrote into the Dayton Peace Agreements a clause requiring the withdrawal of all "foreign elements" within a short time after the agreement took force. When we found elements that had remained behind, we launched raids against them. Not all of these people were removed, and the effort is still continuing. Without the peace in Bosnia, there is a real chance that bin Laden would have been able to set up in the Balkans what he did in Afghanistan with far greater danger to the West.

http://discuss.washingtonpost.com/zforum/02/sp_nation_holbrooke091002.htm

Now--fast-forward Nov 8 2005:
Holbrooke, the architect of the 1995 Bosnian peace deal, who said that independence was the only way forward for Kosovo and its mainly Muslim Albanians.
"I cannot see any final status for Kosovo other than independence," said Holbrooke, who forged the Dayton Peace Accords that ended Bosnia's 1992-95 war.
"But at the same time ... this cannot be achieved without ironclad guarantees for the safety, security, and protection of the rights of the Serbs who live in Kosovo and the protection of their magnificent monuments," he said.

[decal]

"Where was the GOP opposition?"

Supporting the C-i-C during a war, like we ask the Dems to do now?

[tgambill]

Yes, a mass grave was found...it had Serbs, the biggest one yet. In my inquiry I asked a close friend i knew in Kosovo to give me what he knew, which is separate from this article. He was personally involved in the searching.

Quote:

"Regarding mass graves prior to September 1999, I can only tell you of the 2 that I was personally involved with. Both contained the bodies of murdered Kosovo Serbs. I think they were both discovered in August. One contained 8 or nine male bodies and was located past Malisheve (the road that ran behind Camp Monteith) towards the Serbian border, I think it was near the village called Podgorca or something like that. The bodies were buried just below the surface. ICFY was later involved in the recovery of the bodies. The other was 4 or 5 Serb male bodies (it look like they had been beaten) that had been dumped in a slit trench in a wooded area used for training by the VJ close to Gjilan/Gnjilane - going out on the road that was later blocked off for the police RHQ heading towards Mucibaba about a Km out of town turn left up into the wooded area. These were both quite clearly revenge murders, taken apparently purely because they were Serbs. This was pretty prevalent in the GN area in June to September, indiscriminate attacks were being taken against any group or individual Serb that had remained if they strayed out of the relative protection of their enclave. There might have been one or two others but I was not involved and do not remember the exact details."

Source: Personal statement to me from an OSCE Official.

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Article: #1

Another Mass Grave In Malisheva Is Being Investigated
Trans: S. Gajtani

12 Aug 99 (Zeri) – The workers of Office for Missing Persons and UNMIK forensic teams from Prishtina, lead by their Chief, Pablo Baraybar, started searching for another mass grave in the territory of Malisheva Municipality.
The searches are being made in the same location where three months ago a mass grave with 13 bodies was found, according to the information’s they belonged to the Serbian nationality.

Since Thursday in Mirdita neighborhood of Malisheva, two diggers are working on digging the ground and searching for the mass graves. Argentinean Special Forces are securing the location with tape and a sign to not cross into the area.

So far no bodies has been found according to the Baraybar. The office that is led by him has information that 10 to 13 bodies are in these mass graves, which they suppose are Serbs.

The new searches, according to Baraybar, will continue until they find the bodies. He has information’s that the new mass grave is somewhere near the mass grave that has been found in May of this year.

Article #2

New mass graves of Serbs near Gnjilane
August 28, 1999

Gnjilane, Aug 27 (Tanjug) - The discovery of another mass grave with bodies of 50 Serbs in the Gnjilane area demonstrates that atrocities continue to be perpetrated by rampaging ethnic Albanian terrorists against Serbs in Kosovo-Metohija since the arrival of international KFOR peacekeepers.

Serbs who wanted to find out the fate of their relatives or friends after the discovery of a first grave with 15 bodies, were told by an unnamed UN police officer that another grave with 50 bodies had been found in the vicinity of Gnjilane and that investigation would be undertaken soon, Tanjug has learned from well informed sources.

Serbs fear that the terrorist "KLA" has committed a series of mass crimes against non ethnic Albanian civilians, as many Serbs have been reported missing in the area since KFOR's arrival at the end of June.

KFOR spokesmen made no mention of the latest crime at their regular press briefing Friday.

Embittered by KFOR's benevolent attitude towards terrorist atrocities, several hundred Serbs blocked Thursday about 1 p.m. the Gnjilane-Bujanovac road, demanding that the murderers be brought to justice and that Zoran Stevanovic and Slobodan Antic, abducted Wednesday on the Gnjilane-Prilepnica road, in an attack organized by the new waterworks director, ethnic Albanian Ramadan Gajtani, be released.

Relatives of abducted Serbs who wanted to identify the victims were banned by a KFOR officer from seeing the bodies, which were taken secretly during the night to the Pristina forensic institute.

Systematic terror against Serbs in the area continues, as the "KLA" is trying to cut the corridor linking Serb enclaves in the province with Serbia.

On Thursday, Gradimir Stolic was abducted, the house of Lazar Mitic was torched, and bombs were thrown at the homes of Vladimir Denic in Gnjilane and of the Djurovic and Stojanovic families in Gracanica.

http://www.serbia-info.com/news/1999-08/28/14126.html

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Quote:

"In April 99, the State Department stated that perhaps 500,000 Ethnic Albanians were missing and feared dead at the hands of Slobodan Milosevic’s army. About a month later, Defense Secretary William Cohen told a television interviewer that "about 100,000 military-aged men" were missing (Newsweek). After the end of the war in June, NATO revised the estimate to about 10000. Guess what? In a report to the Security Council the chief prosecutor for the UN War Crimes Tribunal said that so far 2108 bodies have been found in 195 "mass graves". More are expected to be uncovered when the ground thaws in spring. The high estimates currently hover around 7000. The report added that many of these bodies were in individual burial plots, and only 11 sites reported more than 50 bodies. I am not trying to belittle the slaughtering of civilian Kosovars (however many), but instead am trying to analyze the politics of war in a more realistic way than what the major networks have so far been doing."
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[PISANO]

Except for Phyillis Schafley readers and here on FR don't expect this to get any play at all in the MSM.........EVER!

[tgambill]

Specifically, what focus of information would you like to have......

[Hoplite]

Do we know the numbers?

We won't until the Serbs themselves are willing to come clean upon the subject, but, alas, there's little hope for that coming to pass.

Point being, there was an effort to transport corpses out of Kosovo and hide them in Serbia proper, much like the effort to hide the evidence of the Srebrenica mass executions.

Serbia's about the only European country where the government can transport hundreds of corpses to police grounds, burn and bury them, and the responsible agencies can carry on "business as usual" after the corpses have been recovered. (800+)

No worries, however - if the Serbs are unwilling to deal with the criminals in their midst, there are other ways of addressing the issue, mainly isolating the Serbs and ensuring they don't exercise any power over those they have recently victimized.

Which is why Kosovo will be granted independence this year - we're just tired of the Serb's BS.

And if some still think, after 6 years of Republican leadership, that Bill Clinton is the deus ex machina of American Balkan policy, well, some folks you just can't reach, and after a while it becomes a waste of time to even try.

[Alberta's Child]

Supporting the C-i-C during a war, like we ask the Dems to do now?

Who's "we?"

[Fighting Irish]

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[Bokababe]

"Exactly. And where were the marches on Washington, New York, San Francisco, LA, Vienna, London, Paris, etc.?"

The only "marches" I know of were by American Serbs -- but because we are "normal Americans" with jobs who didn't realize that newspapers shut down for the weekend and that you have to call TV stations if you want them to show up --we marched on Saturdays and we were completely ignored.

The protests in other countries (like Greece & Italy) re the NATO bombing, were either ignored by the media or quashed by the US State Dept. Greeks told us (when were there a year later) that there were continual protests in the streets of Athens -- but then "Mad Maddie Albright" & the US State Dept threatened to issue a "Travel Warning to Greece" if they didn't stop. If that would have happened, the Greek economy -- heavily dependant on tourism -- would have collapsed, so these little shop-owners had to back off or literally "lose the bread on their table". So when NATO & the UN did show up, Greeks showed their passive aggression by giving incorrect directions to places when asked and turning around street signs en masse so that they all pointed back to Athens just to confuse the internationals! Greek men also risked their lives and went to Kosovo as unpaid volunteer bus drivers for Serbian children.

Re "move-on" and the Soros crowd, who do you think help sponsor the break-up of Yugoslavia? Soros is up to his neck in blood! Diana Johnstone's book, "Fool's Crusade --Yugoslavia, NATO & Western Delusions" is an excellent book on the subject of the bloody break-up of Yugoslavia, not just about the "who" and "when" but also the "why". She does describe how Soros has hijacked the Left (who would normally have been protesting the war) for his own ends and how most Liberals became convinced that Yugoslavia was their own personal "Spanish Civil War", filled with all the pathos and romance of a Hemingway novel.

It is hard to understand why Britain and the US State Department would ignore all the evidence against those they support in the break-up of Yugoslavia and risk US interests in the region -- until you realize that the US State Department (and British equivalent) are largely a bureaucracies covering their own ass and covering their own mistakes. And they have been screwing up big time with Yugo since WWII. Rather than admit those mistakes and move on, one lie gets covered by another and another until the mountain is so high that they actually begin to believe their own bull, ignoring the tankers full of blood that their lies costed those who live there!

I was raised to be proud to be an American, but I am truly ashamed of this. I do not know when or if I will ever stop being ashamed of it, because it has made me doubt what we are doing everywhere.

[ma bell]

Well, didn't the Serbs appear clean on the Srebrenica statement? of course, you need to be unambiguous with what you ask. You judge the Albanians as truthful? Do you believe the Bosnian Muslims to enclosed honest and precise Intel sumnations or their hard facts were spurious? Which is it, hotshot?

You can’t have your cake and eat it too.

[GretchenM]

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[hershey]

'...bombed for 78 days with total disregard for human life'. Plus the pollution of the Danube, people driven from their homes, etc.. Not a peep about this out of Liberals. A forgotten quagmire. US 'meddling'. But if Clinton did it, it's okay.

[ma bell]

hershey...thats because Clinton sucks..no wait, that is monica...

[Solitar]

The people of the world are about to give Kosovo( a SERBIAN word) to a people from another country( ALBANIA)who came there with the express purpose of STEALING the land from its rightful Serbian owners.

To the best of my knowledge in digging through documented history, the above is very accurate. Starting in WWII , the Serbs in their own land of Kosovo have been persecuted, executed, and exhiled. The Albanians have been pouring into Kosovo, outbreeding, and taking over -- driving the Serbs from their homes and country. The genoicide and ethnic cleansing was perpetrated UPON the Serbs not by them. That they would be angry at all this and at the foreigners supporting the invaders is understandable.

That Clinton and cronies helped those invaders by waging war on the Serbs is another chapter in the long line of Democrat presidents (Wilson, FDR, Truman, LBJ) screwing up other nations and planting the seeds for future unending conflict that Republican Presidents then have to deal with (and get wrongly blamed for).

[Fighting Irish]

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